Dyslexia

dirtydog · 18 Aug 2009 at 14:58

No wonder the country is up to the eyeballs in debt when the government is this liberal with spending taxpayers' money!

unknowndomain · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:00

dirtydog said:
That's nice for you, but you can get a perfectly good PC laptop with similar specs for half the cost of a Mac or less, so if you want a Mac you pay for it, as far as I'm concerned.

It's like getting a car from the government and saying oh I decided I'd have a BMW rather than a Ford because they're better, when the Ford would have done the job for less money.

I do pay for this, I pay taxes and I have a massive student loan which is accruing interest they will get their money back don't you worry.

The computer is what they deemed was appropriate, I was given the least expensive Mac there was and as above they paid over the odds for it.

Its about providing a computer the student will actually use not just giving them the cheapest bit of crap you can.

PCs are known to have a higher TCO and are more likly to go wrong and as a Mac user there was no logical reason to add more things for me to learn in addition to my lectures and the new software they were providing me.

I don't think it is for you to decide what I did and didn't need unless you are a trained educational psycologist. Which I presume you are not.

unknowndomain · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:02

dirtydog said:
No wonder the country is up to the eyeballs in debt when the government is this liberal with spending taxpayers' money!

Have a look at this...

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=e...on+on&btnG=Search&meta=cr=countryUK|countryGB

Then tell me that a few students and their computers is really a big deal.

The lowest amount was £2,000,000 that i saw and thats enough to pay for 5,000 students to have a computer which you guys think is unnessisary (£900 instead of £500).

dirtydog · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:02

unknowndomain said:
I do pay for this, I pay taxes and I have a massive student loan which is accruing interest they will get their money back don't you worry.

The computer is what they deemed was appropriate, I was given the least expensive Mac there was and as above they paid over the odds for it.

Its about providing a computer the student will actually use not just giving them the cheapest bit of crap you can.

PCs are known to have a higher TCO and are more likly to go wrong and as a Mac user there was no logical reason to add more things for me to learn in addition to my lectures and the new software they were providing me.

I don't think it is for you to decide what I did and didn't need unless you are a trained educational psycologist. Which I presume you are not.

What's worse is you aren't grateful for the freebie, you don't think you're fortunate, you just have a sense of entitlement all too common in today's Britain.

deuse · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:03

I am glad that the real people with Dyslexia and other learning difficulties are getting help now and I hope you get more help.

To those who have cheated to get freebies, I hope you rot in hell.

zytok · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:06

unknowndomain said:
I did need a Mac its almost industry standard for design work like mine to take place on a Mac and the <£400 for a PC craptop doesn't give me a £900 computer and your compairson is based on real world prices, the real rip-off is the companies who provide the equiptment charge a absolout fortune over the RRP of a product, in the DSAs mind there is not £400 laptop its more like £650.

My £900 iMac would have been far less if it were not for the rippoffs i am sure.

Whether you 'needed' one or not is irrelevant!! Everyone else has to pay for their own be it a £300 cheapo one or a £900 rip-off thing. Why should you be entitled to a free one at the taxpayers expense because for whatever reason you can't spell??

You even criticise the government in your own post for giving stuff away yet you are part of the same culture that feels like everyone should give you something because in some way you are less fortunate than others. :mad:

If you need a laptop for your education/work whatever then buy one like everyone else!!

Missing.String · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:08

zytok said:
Whether you 'needed' one or not is irrelevant!! Everyone else has to pay for their own be it a £300 cheapo one or a £900 rip-off thing. Why should you be entitled to a free one at the taxpayers expense because for whatever reason you can't spell??

You even criticise the government in your own post for giving stuff away yet you are part of the same culture that feels like everyone should give you something because in some way you are less fortunate than others.

If you need a laptop for your education/work whatever then buy one like everyone else!!

To continue your argument, why bother giving disabled people wheelchairs? After all, it's not like they can't function without them.

MumboJumbo · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:09

For dyslexia you have to pay for a profeshional report to prove you are. You might as well do it now as you'll need it for uni as well or you wont get shiz.

unknowndomain · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:10

zytok said:
Whether you 'needed' one or not is irrelevant!! Everyone else has to pay for their own be it a £300 cheapo one or a £900 rip-off thing. Why should you be entitled to a free one at the taxpayers expense because for whatever reason you can't spell??

You even criticise the government in your own post for giving stuff away yet you are part of the same culture that feels like everyone should give you something because in some way you are less fortunate than others.

If you need a laptop for your education/work whatever then buy one like everyone else!!

Its not about being unable to spell and its not about being given it because you need a computer its about providing facilities that aid in the learning process and help them work on the same level as others by attempting to reduce/negate the problems caused by dyslexia.

I do criticise the government for giving things away to readily to those who fake it but I also think those who need it should not sit back and let the opportunity pass because they were worried someone like you might be jealous.

dirtydog · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:10

Missing.String said:
To continue your argument, why bother giving disabled people wheelchairs? After all, it's not like they can't function without them.

We have an NHS which provides resources to people who need it. You aren't ill, you don't need a laptop for your health and there is nothing stopping you earning or borrowing the money yourself to buy one.

MumboJumbo · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:11

Missing.String said:
To continue your argument, why bother giving disabled people wheelchairs? After all, it's not like they can't function without them.

haha, that guy is a moron who has no idea what it is like to underachive constantly through no fault of your own.

To put it in perspective, i get 25% extra time and an A3 size paper. My grades went from C's to A*'s.

Jono8 · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:11

8igdave said:
haha, that guy is a moron who has no idea what it is like to underachive constantly through no fault of your own.

To put it in perspective, i get 25% extra time and an A3 size paper. My grades went from C's to A*'s.

I'm sure we could all do with 25% extra time :rolleyes:

unknowndomain · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:12

dirtydog said:
We have an NHS which provides resources to people who need it. You aren't ill, you don't need a laptop for your health and there is nothing stopping you earning or borrowing the money yourself to buy one.

Its not about the laptop and if you could see that then you might understand, but because you are so blinded with jealousy all your all seeing is that the student gets a free computer none of the reasons why, how about you grow up and swap places with a dyslexic person and see if you wouldn't mind getting a bit of help for a change.

dirtydog · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:12

This should be publicised more, it is very unfair on those students who aren't dyslexic and you could argue they are being discriminated against.

dirtydog · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:13

unknowndomain said:
Its not about the laptop and if you could see that then you might understand, but because you are so blinded with jealousy all your all seeing is that the student gets a free computer none of the reasons why, how about you grow up and swap places with a dyslexic person and see if you wouldn't mind getting a bit of help for a change.

It is not jealousy, I just think it is wrong. Of course I can see that those considered dyslexic would enjoy receiving this assistance, that is rather obvious.

MumboJumbo · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:14

Jono8 said:
I'm sure we could all do with 25% extra time

When i read at half the speed you do. Have to constantly check what im writing and underpressure cannot focus on the page. Yes i do need 25% extra time because before i wasn't finnishing the papers.

I dislike people like you. "You only do well because you get extra time". Maybe i do well now because i have an opportunity to answer enough of the paper to get the grades? Or maybe im just smarter then you?

Missing.String · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:14

dirtydog said:
We have an NHS which provides resources to people who need it. You aren't ill, you don't need a laptop for your health and there is nothing stopping you earning or borrowing the money yourself to buy one.

A disabled person can function without things like that, merely in a reduced state.

Whilst I'm not aware of all the inner workings of schemes to help the dyslexic, I'm pretty sure that's what they're there for: to help people overcome their lessened abilities (brought about as a result of a condition).

unknowndomain · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:14

Jono8 said:
I'm sure we could all do with 25% extra time

No because some people don't try, you could give a person extension after extension to do work and they won't do it but if you give someone who wants to succeed more time then they can.

I have seen this at university, perfectly normal people will get various extensions on work and do nothing whilst those with dyslexia do well because they are trying and so its about how hard you work and giving a dyslexic student more time helps them achieve.

MumboJumbo · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:15

dirtydog said:
It is not jealousy, I just think it is wrong. Of course I can see that those considered dyslexic would enjoy receiving this assistance, that is rather obvious.

I have a friend who's hand writing is so illegible no one can read it. He requires a laptop to be able to make notes. Its simply not possible for him as he is so servirly dislexic.

Try it out before you complain.

unknowndomain said:
No because some people don't try, you could give a person extension after extension to do work and they won't do it but if you give someone who wants to succeed more time then they can.

I have seen this at university, perfectly normal people will get various extensions on work and do nothing whilst those with dyslexia do well because they are trying and so its about how hard you work and giving a dyslexic student more time helps them achieve.

Thankyou. The people here are so ignorant of what its actually like. It's perfetic.

dirtydog · 18 Aug 2009 at 15:16

Missing.String said:
A disabled person can function without things like that, merely in a reduced state.

People who need a wheelchair generally can't walk (at all, or far) without one, AFAIK. I doubt the NHS give them out willy nilly. Although then again, what am I saying :rolleyes: