E6300/E6400/E6600??

[Reality Bites]

which is the choice for a non overclocker? 6600? or wait for the newer chips and get a cheap 4300 now?

 

[Quixote]

For a non-overclocker, the 6600 is best I think. But if that's out of budget, a 6400 will be good too.

 

[Bolerus]

mm reading this, and many other threads, its a hard decision

Im in hte same boat, my lovely asrock dual vsta came yesterday so I plan on getting the cpu at the weekend

I was simply going ot go for a 6300, but I dont over clock

Will be putting my old ddr memmory in it for the time being, and my 6800 agp (although I may have just done a deal to get a pci-e 512meg for £50)

so now im unsure whether to get a e6300 @ stock 1.8 or pay 25 more and get a E6400 @ 2.1 stock

is that the only difference between the two?

 

[Mista.Gee]

I'm in the same ordeal at the moment, i've got a BFG 680i Motherboard sitting here and i've got £350 to spend on a processor and memory been waiting all day for someone to answer my last thread.

 

[ImMrChris]

STOP with all the " im not overclocking " nonsense it's a crime not to on a C2D rig

go into your bios whack up that FSB, go on you know you want to

 

[Bolerus]

its not a crime, its called being sensible


overclocking should be stamped out now!!!!!

overclocking is just for bragsters or people with more money than sense who dont care if their brand new cpu only last as long as an ice cube in the sun.


seriously though, I don't want to overclock. I want a cpu that performs at thespecified "clock" and not have to worry about void warranties, or super memmory to run at the overclocked this or frequency that

and believe me if any thing can go wrong, with any thing of mine, it will go wrong TWICE

That is why im am posting on the CPU forum, and not the overclocking forum

 

[Kaiju]

its not a crime, its called being sensible

overclocking should be stamped out now!!!!!

overclocking is just for bragsters or people with more money than sense who dont care if their brand new cpu only last as long as an ice cube in the sun.

Whether you are serious or not, overclocking does have supported real-time evidence that backs up performance increases over stock settings. Fact. Now you may not like this fact due to voided warranties and a plethora of variables that need to be monitored, but people across the globe have been overclocking for over a decade now with minimal risks, little fuss and a faster, much more enjoyable experience with their system.

I myself have overclocked my CPU, GPU and Memory, but the only faults i've actually had with hardware has been with my hard drives. An example is my old AMD 1700+ processor which was overclocked over stock by over 100% for three and a half years without a single hitch. Having just contacted my brother to whom I sold it too, it's still going strong after six years at the same 100%+ overclock. How many CPU upgrade paths have we had in six years I wonder?

In retrospect however, this post was made in hindsight of a previous post you made elsewhere. Try not to take it personally as I can see you are simply trying to shed some light towards people who are jumping on the overclocking bandwagon, so your intentions are commendable. I just feel telling people you don't like/want to overclock in the hope that people will follow suit is a bit crass and there are much more composed ways of stating your recommendations and opinions.

The majority on here know overclocking has its risks, so why challenge their intelligence. Let them make their own minds up by stating what the risks actually are and perhaps examples of overclocking gone wrong in a new thread, rather than you know, simply telling people overclocking should be stamped out in every thread you post in.

This isn't Overclockers UK for nothing.

 

[Bolerus]

Every body is entitled to their opinion, and there own "path"

By saying telling people
just feel telling people you don't like/want to overclock in the hope that people will follow suit is a bit crass and there are much more composed ways of stating your recommendations and opinions.

Is a ridicoulous statement, you are effectively saying there, dont tell people there might be risks.

I don't particular care how many people overclock, or don't overclock, that iis there decision to make. Overclocking reduces the lifespan of hard ware, that is FACT not an opinoin. how much the hard ware is reduced, I dont know, it coudl be so little as thge average user would have upgraded long before it becomes an issue.

Successful clocking can massively increase the performance of your system, that si a no brainer, the 1.7 amd chip you refere to was nortorious for runnign at 2.8 with no problems and if I remember correctly, the price reflected that at the time (if you are talking about the one i think you are)


Why do you think that overclocking voids your warranty? If overclocking doesent do any damage then Manufactureres, woudl just sell pre overclocked cpus, as such, for more money than the stock cpu, but less that one of equivellent speed

If 99% of overclocked systems run fine for years and years, but 1% die after 3 days, I can almost gurantee I will get the 1%.


I have a leadtech 6800ls G.card. For any body that doesent know, it is very easy to unlock the pipes on that card, which i did, just to see, but quickly set back, because I just didnt feel it was worth the risk. but other people have talked about g.cards and i had recommended that card to them, for that reason.

Just because I dont want to take the risk, doesent mean you shouldnt. that is my descison, and telling people who ask, is also my descision, and my right as to do so.

Can you categorically gurantee that overclocking a cpu, memmory and motherboard WILL NOT or CAN NOT cause any damage?

If the answer is yes, then I would heartily recomend you go into business selling computer components, if you can make those gurantees on your components, you will make a fortune.

 

[Steves_pc]

If 99% of overclocked systems run fine for years and years, but 1% die after 3 days, I can almost gurantee I will get the 1%.

Can you categorically gurantee that overclocking a cpu, memmory and motherboard WILL NOT or CAN NOT cause any damage?

Are you really that unlucky? hope it doesnt rub off posting in the same thread

As for the second part, i wouldnt say it causes damage unless you overclock to an extreme level with high volts, its been shown to shave a few years off the life of said components, chances of the system being kept for 10 years are slim with a lot of folk hence the decrease in lifespan is negligible.
With most of the C2D stuff a good increase can be had by simply running the memory at its rated speed so the only part getting extra wear and tear is the cpu which is often still fine long after other components have bit the dust.

Overclocking isnt for everybody but most round here will see it like having a ferrari 360 but drive it like a fiesta popular + , unlike speeding in a car overclocking isnt naughty and after all it isnt that often so many can get something extra for nowt and when you consider how quickly this stuff drops in price we need to get as much from it as we can.
Theres a few who may come over a bit aggressive even if it is the CPU forum its still under the title Overclockers and for those who dont want to overclock - just buy the best C2D chip you can afford and be happy knowing that it's still a damn fine addition to your pc.

 

[Bolerus]

I nipped to overclockers today, and bought an E6400. even as i entered the shop I didnt know which chip I was going to get lol

a quick chat with the salesman helped me decide in the end

the 6600 would have been nice, but to be honest the exta cash will go to a frined of mine, (I am buying a pci -e geforce 6800 512meg - replacing my 6800ls 128 meg)

I figured, next up i will get some DDR2 mem (replacing the ddr1 i will be using now) and then later still buy a better motherboard.

If at that point I decide (doubtfull but i might) to try a little bit of overclocking, this cpu will give me some options, whilst still performing well at stock.

Or at least that is my theory lol

 

[WJA96]

I nipped to overclockers today, and bought an E6400. even as i entered the shop I didnt know which chip I was going to get lol

a quick chat with the salesman helped me decide in the end

the 6600 would have been nice, but to be honest the exta cash will go to a frined of mine, (I am buying a pci -e geforce 6800 512meg - replacing my 6800ls 128 meg)

I figured, next up i will get some DDR2 mem (replacing the ddr1 i will be using now) and then later still buy a better motherboard.

If at that point I decide (doubtfull but i might) to try a little bit of overclocking, this cpu will give me some options, whilst still performing well at stock.

Or at least that is my theory lol

I think that's a good call. The E6300 theoretically is a better overclocker, but you have to work your RAM much harder to get that overclock. With the E6400 3.2GHz will be a pretty easy target with PC6400 RAM and a decent motehrboard.

 

[Proc]

Is the extra 2mb cache on the 6600 worth an extra £50 over the 6400. I know the 6400 will probably do 3ghz fairly easily, but for say gaming would the extra cache be worth it?

Thinking of going for a 6400/Asus P5N-E/OCZ PC-6400 Rev2 XTC.

 

[Kaiju]

Is the extra 2mb cache on the 6600 worth an extra £50 over the 6400. I know the 6400 will probably do 3ghz fairly easily, but for say gaming would the extra cache be worth it?

Thinking of going for a 6400/Asus P5N-E/OCZ PC-6400 Rev2 XTC.

As someone aforementioned, the extra 2MB cache is like an extra 200MHz.

 

[Proc]

As someone aforementioned, the extra 2MB cache is like an extra 200MHz.

Yeah sorry, i did read that earlier and forgot. I'm just stuck on whether to get the 6400 or the 6600. Is the extra 2mb cache and slight increase in clock speed worth the extra £50, or should i just save myself the money and get the 6400?

 

[Kaiju]

Yeah sorry, i did read that earlier and forgot. I'm just stuck on whether to get the 6400 or the 6600. Is the extra 2mb cache and slight increase in clock speed worth the extra £50, or should i just save myself the money and get the 6400?

I'd say the 6600 is worth the extra, but it depends on your budget. If you are wishing to overclock, the 6400 would need a 450FSB to reach 3.6GHz and some RAM that can hit PC7200 speeds. The 6600 would only need 400FSB to reach 3.6GHz and RAM that can hit PC6400 speeds. Of course the RAM timings can be loosened whatever RAM you have/buy á la Crucial 10th Anniversary sticks that are PC5300, but are able to hit 500FSB/PC8000.

 

[Proc]

I can afford the 6600 if i knock some cash off the ram. Would the OCZ PC-6400 Rev2 XTC be good enough for 3ghz+, seems like decent ram for the price?

 

[carbon8ed]

If it help I have just got a 6600 with 2 GB Crucial 10th - ruuning 3.6GHz at 1.35v and RAM on tight timings at 800 fsb. Currently doin pi to 1M in 14.156S and seems stable to orthos at 48C underwater. I got 8hours stable at 3.6 with 1.45v, after 4 hours stable on 1.4v I am dropping to 1.35v.

Looks good so far

 

[jamjar]

get the best one you can if not overclocking.

kind of wish id gone for 6600 now that i dont overclock.

I,m not overclocking and went for the E6600 best thingi ever did great CPU !

 

[Bolerus]

well, i put together the new pc today,

what do you guys run to benchmark.

I ran 3dmark06, and in honesty wasnt impressed with the frame rates, and then when it came to getting a score, it said i had to dubmit to get scores, which are online only, with the downloaded "basic" version

but when i hit submit, I just got submit failed, so I could not see the score

is 3dmark05 ok to use, but surely that wouldnt know what to do with the core 2 aspect?

is there some other application any body cooudl recomend

 

[Kaiju]

is there some other application any body cooudl recomend

You would need to run more CPU orientated programs like SuperPi, Sisoft Sandra & Everest. 3Dmark does have a CPU test, but is much more GPU orientated.