E9x Common Problems

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Hi boys,

One of my brothers in law is going to be buying one of the above, specifically, most likely an early aged example, and it's looking like a 318 petrol ( I know) in manual transmission.

I have limited influence in the buying decision, and as I've been asked to look at a few examples this weekend, I'm primarily interested in knowing about any common issues that can be identified in a walk round as it were.

One item that is of concern is the steering lock issues that have been faced - primarily as his brother's 520d sport is currently under repair for this exact issue.

I'm been mainly looking at this thread for help, but would be grateful for any additional insight:

http://www.bmwland.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=108166

Thanks
 
Common problems are massive amounts of fail in 318 petrol models. It surely has no redeeming features over a 320i, which iself was a dissappointing engine after the lovely 2.2 in the E46.

A 318 manual E90, which will almost certainly be basic spec as most of them are ES models which lack even climate control, seems like a very depressing car purchase. You pay the BMW premium to buy it and are then rewarded with a car which arguably isn't worth it.

Is there a reason it absolutely has to be a 318?

The 318i was a decent enough car in E46 guise, but in the E90 it has less power and doesnt really occupy the same place in the range, the equivilent to an E46 318i is an E90 320i.
 
I've been in a pre LCI E90 318d and i was quite taken back by how utterly bad it was inside, and i'm not an interior person AT ALL i mean i drive a 2002 yaris & and impreza and think its fine but jesus that BMW.. for the price of those things barren was not the word.
 
Thanks for the responses. If i'm honest its not exactly an ideal car shopping scenario.

Essentially anything is on the table engine wise but the budget is the limiting factor which is determining what is available. Remember this is also in Ireland.

I'll push for an 320 if budget permits, but beyond that I don't think a 6 cyl BMW is going to be a good idea even if he could afford it.

Put it this way, the car is needed quickly as his old car is dead and so the luxury of waiting on the market doesn't exist. Similarly, he/we can't travel the length of the country for the same reason. He has a job in the public eye and so wants something reasonably "prestigious" (or the illusion of) even if these sorts of marques present problems further down the line.
 
If the budget is a problem then it might be more sensible to go for an E46. A 318i SE has the decent 2.0 16v engine and looks smart, too.

An old BMW isn't prestigious so if he's in the 'public eye' then perhaps he'll want something newer than an old BMW which tends to have negative rather than positive image considerations, especially bottom of the range stuff (And the ES looks it!).
 
I did think of an E46 but not sure if he'll go for it. Personally I would certainly prefer a later E46 than an earlier E9x.

I appreciate that we are talking about old BMW's across the board, but essentially it's about driving a premium marque regardless of age opposed to having a rather nice ST220 or an Accord for instance.

I'll quite happily sit here and wax lyrical about what is wrong about this approach to car buying. Indeed it's the opposite to how I buy cars. But at the end of the day I am to go and help him look over cars at the weekend - cars which I am generally unfamiliar with. As such, I want to be as useful as possible.

So, assuming we are still talking about an E9x and either a 318 or 320, is there anything in particular that I can look out for in person?
 
If he is in Ireland then it definitely makes sense to go for the smaller engine as he'll save a lot in tax.

A car under 1.8 will cost 636 euros a year
a Car under 2.0 will cost 710
A car under 2.5 will cost 1,080
A car under 3.0 will cost 1,496


It's very unfair.

If you buy newer than 08 it's on emissions.

Personally, I'd say buy whatever has the nicer history and owner. Most people just rag the cars here and the roads are terrible.


P.s why petrol? Diesel is cheaper to buy and is more efficient!
 
If he is in Ireland then it definitely makes sense to go for the smaller engine as he'll save a lot in tax.

A car under 1.8 will cost 636 euros a year
a Car under 2.0 will cost 710
A car under 2.5 will cost 1,080
A car under 3.0 will cost 1,496


It's very unfair.

If you buy newer than 08 it's on emissions.

Personally, I'd say buy whatever has the nicer history and owner. Most people just rag the cars here and the roads are terrible.


P.s why petrol? Diesel is cheaper to buy and is more efficient!

Odd way to work it. Does forced induction affect it at all?
 
The tax system is a joke, Pre-2008 it's based on cc, with different bands for every 100cc between 1l and 3l, then over 3l it's around €1900 flat rate. Post 2008, it's CO2 based hence everyone buys diesels now even though they're totally unsuitable for a lot of Irish driving profiles. People are starting to cop onto the fact that modern diesels are so complicated and there is a push back into petrol in some circles.

Fox, the way people view cars in Ireland is a bit different, generally any e90 would be seen as a prestigious car due to the badge.

Gayjin, I'm going to assume the budget is somewhere around €8k if you're saying manual 318i's are the main focus? The main problem you'll have is finding one with FSH & decent spec. I had a look on donedeal and pretty much every 318i or 320i looks dodgy or has brutal spec :(

If you can persuade him to pay an extra €1/day in road tax, the 2.5's are great value:
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-for-sale/5963045 - seems suspiciously cheap though!
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/06-bmw-325i-auto-leather-6995/5599363

If this has FSH, it looks like a great deal:
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-3-series-se-auto-limited-edition/6058833
 
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[TW]Fox;25472495 said:
The engine is exactly the same size as that in the 320i. They are both 2 litre engines.

Aye, which is why I didn't have any issues with considering this. In fact, one we're looking at hopefully at the weekend is a a 320 M Sport. Hopefully it isn't a duff example.

Odd way to work it. Does forced induction affect it at all?

Pre-08 - No, which is the only saving grace, and one of the main reasons it's almost feasible to take the Evo over (when it's time). There is no differentiation between a frugal N/A 2.0 diesel engine, and in the case of the Evo, a 2.0 with a reasonably large turbo on it running up to 400bhp in standard form.

Manufactured after 2008, an Evo IX costs 2350 a year to tax for essentially the same car. Pre 2008, a VII or VIII costs 710 euro a year to tax.

I've spouted the comparison before, but I pay three times more to tax my MX5 in Ireland than I do to tax the Evo in the UK.

Even when it's registered over here, the Evo will *only* cost 33 euro more to tax than the MX5.

I had no idea car tax was so steep in Ireland. :eek:

You do now ;) It's the reason barely anyone has performance cars over here. You literally have to sell your soul to own one.

Post 2008, it's CO2 based hence everyone buys diesels now even though they're totally unsuitable for a lot of Irish driving profiles. People are starting to cop onto the fact that modern diesels are so complicated and there is a push back into petrol in some circles.

Agreed. Dublin for instance has chronically awful city traffic. And everyone owns a diesel, mainly due to the fuel economy, and the fact that Diesel is still 5 cent a litre cheaper over here than Petrol. Wondering how long it will take for the government to cop on like the UK government did.

The biggest problem is that you have all these fancy diesel engines with their fancy high pressure injection systems and variable geometry turbochargers, but I've found car ownership here to be considerably less diligent than in the UK. People in general don't tend to look after their cars as well, and a full dealer service history is a rarity!

Fox, the way people view cars in Ireland is a bit different, generally any e90 would be seen as a prestigious car due to the badge.

There's an element of that - not sure how much it is due to the rather picky nature of car enthusiasts - "Ugh it's not even a LCI - grim" :p

Generally, and certainly in this instance. It's the brand, and not the model or age that matters.

Gayjin, I'm going to assume the budget is somewhere around €8k if you're saying manual 318i's are the main focus? The main problem you'll have is finding one with FSH & decent spec. I had a look on donedeal and pretty much every 318i or 320i looks dodgy or has brutal spec :(

If you can persuade him to pay an extra €1/day in road tax, the 2.5's are great value:
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-for-sale/5963045 - seems suspiciously cheap though!
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/06-bmw-325i-auto-leather-6995/5599363

If this has FSH, it looks like a great deal:
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-3-series-se-auto-limited-edition/6058833

You are correct in your assumption. I'm slightly keen to stay away from from 6 cyl options due to the higher tax, servicing and duty of care. Similarly I would like to avoid automatic transmissions for the potential for issues. Both him and his brother have faced issues with automatic transmissions in the past and he needs his car to get to work.

This chap is not going to spend a great deal of money (through choice or otherwise) on this car after it is bought. It will probably be serviced cheaply, and wanted to be run for as cheap as possible.

Again, far away from how I run my cars, but it's not my decision!

Personally I would have a nice facelift E46, but as much as I've tried, I don't think it's on the table currently.
 
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This chap is not going to spend a great deal of money (through choice or otherwise) on this car after it is bought. It will probably be serviced cheaply, and wanted to be run for as cheap as possible.

Which makes the decision to purchase an ageing 3 Series even more bizarre. It simply doesn't fit this - he'd be far, far better off with something like a Toyota Avensis if thats how he wants to run cars.

I know it's not your choice and I know there isn't much you can do but the entire thing just seems ridiculous, he's going to buy a car that doesn't really fit what he wants simply because it says BMW on the back.
 
[TW]Fox;25477216 said:
Which makes the decision to purchase an ageing 3 Series even more bizarre. It simply doesn't fit this - he'd be far, far better off with something like a Toyota Avensis if thats how he wants to run cars.

I know it's not your choice and I know there isn't much you can do but the entire thing just seems ridiculous, he's going to buy a car that doesn't really fit what he wants simply because it says BMW on the back.

I totally agree - it actually pained me to write the thread - being someone who chooses his next car over a period of years, and services and maintains meticulously.

So to put it to rest - is the thread I posted all encompassing or is there anything else I should be checking in person for the spec in question?
 
Have you suggested a Passat to him? They have a fantastic image in Ireland and repairs etc should be a little easier on the wallet than an e90.

No offence but it seems like your brother-in-law wants his cake and eat it. I used to go to the UK to buy my cars as most of the cars in Ireland are in awful condition, no FSH, crap spec etc. The choice will be even less on a 320i as they weren't a popular model. Whatever you do, don't buy one without FSH. Have you suggested going to the UK to him?

These two will be under €7.5k VRT'd (high spec vs low miles):
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201309058631729
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312010266435/
 
Have you suggested a Passat to him? They have a fantastic image in Ireland and repairs etc should be a little easier on the wallet than an e90.

I really can't see him going for it, though I will mention it. An "executive" marque is preferred.

No offence but it seems like your brother-in-law wants his cake and eat it.

I'm afraid that would seem to be the case :o

Have you suggested going to the UK to him?

Again this would be a feasible idea given a more thought-out, diligent approach to car ownership. But as it stands, the car is needed immediately as he is borrowing his fathers car at the moment, and the added complexity and inconvenience of not only flying out to see cars but sorting the VRT - just isn't feasible in this case.

I appreciate the responses, and understand that frustration better than anyone about the scenario, but I can't really change it. I've made my concerns known but as we all know, if you are advising someone else - they are only going to do what they want to do in the end.
 
Welcome to the Irish general public, absolutely no common sense at times :(

Only thing I can recommend is distance yourself from this process as if you recommend a car and it goes wrong, then it will be brought up in the future...
 
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