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Early AMD K10 Scores

AMD knows it isn't necessary to take the performance crown so no matter how much slower K10 is compared to C2D or Intel's 45nm CPUs it will still sell like hot cakes. As far as performance goes it's faster than K8 and will ramp up with decent TDP so it's an improvement and of course they needed quad core.

AMD and Intel sell a range of CPUs and AMD will simply slot their range into the relevant price point and they'll sell them faster than they can make them. :)
 
Kinda jumping the gun a bit on that one I think like... wait till the chips are actually out and we get some "reputable" reviews. ;)

Xtreme Systems were one of the first to get their hands on Conroe and most people without bias didn't say they were faking it...
 
Xtreme Systems were one of the first to get their hands on Conroe and most people without bias didn't say they were faking it...

All I'm saying is, speculation is good! BUT for me, I like to wait till there are reviews out. I wouldn't just dismiss something so easily.
 
I guess now we know why AMD has kept the benchies close to its chest for over a year then.

:(

Next stop, Nehalem!

lol, even though nehalem is 90% certain to be basically no different at all for all but 0.0001% of the market that buy the extreme editions. onboard mem controller will make next to no difference anyway, but will almost certainly only in xeon's and extreme editions which will be xeons branded for desktop.

next up, super pi shows a MASSIVELY different increase in scores than most benchmarks around. its one of a VERY small number of apps that can use the wider (can't think of the word right now, grrr, basically ipc, conroe can do 4, under VERY specific circumstances).

for instance the increase in performance on other benchmarks and a lot of real world stuff, games very often the conroe can't use its 4 ipc, but only 3. theres a couple of mostly synthetic situations that the conroe can use all 4 instructions per clock. super pi, it can't use 4 instructions so the barca would never, ever, even theoretically compete there. but remember, a plain old 2Ghz conroe would also not get 14second scores either. 14seconds is a 3.6-3.8Ghz conroe situation remember.

these first barca's are also much lower clocked, just selling up the stock of the first stepping. release desktop parts will be 500mhz -1Ghz from launch to the end of the year.

try running 4 versions of superpi 1mb at the same time on a kentsfield, huge hit on speed once you turn on the 4th copy. but still the case is that super pi is basically the absolute best conroe application ever made.
 
I don't care about benchmarks if amd bring out their quad and it is faster (in games)and or cheaper i get one but if not i get a intel around nov/dec.
 
is phenom going to be TRUE quad core, or quad core like old pentium D's were dual core, and new q series processors are quad...?

Excuse the stupid question... what's meant by true Quad Core?

Is this on the basis that Intel's current Quad scene is just two Dual Cores smooshed together? Or have I got completely the wrong idea?
 
Excuse the stupid question... what's meant by true Quad Core?

Is this on the basis that Intel's current Quad scene is just two Dual Cores smooshed together? Or have I got completely the wrong idea?

Yer basically. Intel quad core design at present is two dies with 2 cores.
AMDs new quad core is 1 die with 4 cores.
 
next up, super pi shows a MASSIVELY different increase in scores than most benchmarks around. its one of a VERY small number of apps that can use the wider (can't think of the word right now, grrr, basically ipc, conroe can do 4, under VERY specific circumstances).

Actually Conroe can do 5 in very specific circumstances as it can combine a few instructions into 1. Conroe is a 4 issue core, and not so hard to get software to make use of the 4 ipc, it is quite hard to squeeze in the 5th though, apparently even harder in 64bit.

However your right about one thing. Even with a 3 issue core, its common that only 1 or 2 instructions are being executed, and other parts of the core remain inactive.. Thats why intel will bring Hyperthreading back with Nehelem. To make full use of the cores even when programs are not 100% optimized for maximum core efficiency.
 
I don't care about benchmarks if amd bring out their quad and it is faster (in games)and or cheaper i get one but if not i get a intel around nov/dec.

faster? most likely, cheaper? slight chance, not much, faster in games? nope.

slower in games? nope.

a X2 is marginally, very very marginally slower in real gaming conditions.

i would expect the barca to be winning gaming benchmarks being run low res and detail as is usual for cpu benchmarks and cpu reviews. but that means nothing, as per usual almost all your gaming cpu will be largely irrelevant once you get to a basic minimum cpu for current games.

DO NOT buy a kentsfield, barca, penryn, nehalem if all you want is better games performance, none of the above will improve upon any 2.4Ghz dual core chip which can be had for not much cash.
 
Actually, games like Stalker and Flight Simulator X do benefit from higher clocked CPU's. Yes, its the minority, but if lots of people buy penryn's (which they will), game developers will obviously code their games to take advantage of these more powerful processors.
 
Oblivion is CPU limited in some areas, GPU limited in others. Sure it doesnt get much gain from Quad over Dual... but Dual over single offers some advantages.

However Why claim nothing will improve over a 2.4Ghz Dual... a 3.3Ghz Quad will kick a 2.4 Dual in the....... in games which are CPU limited like oblivion. Assuming like for like architecture, higher clock speeds allow faster processing of singlethreaded apps... and most graphics engines are run in a single thread. But you can add physics engines, improved sound, better AI into separate threads. AI's gotta be an important one here... Got a RTS game with 10 computer opponants? Give them each an AI thread etc.

Supreme Commander makes a fair stab at making use of quad cores too, but only after the game has been running, and all the AI have a lot of troops/mechs to handle. If you just run a FPS test 10 minutes into a game then the GPU is going to be the limiting factor.

Game developers are starting to work more on multitheading their games, so as time goes by more cores will become more important, not less. I would certainly not want to predict what games might be using a quad core efficiently in 12 months time. I'd say by the time Nehalem is released a Quad core chip will probably offer significant performance gains over a dual.
 
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Floating point is one area barcy should do well, it was reputed to have a double FPU, but games hardly touch the FPU these days, its all either integer or SSE/MMX.

Handy for those science boffins though.
 
can't they make a chip ( CPU ) that can be flashed ?!?! like a BIOS so as the new SSE5 or what ever comes out,, they can update the chip to cope ??
I know it's now laser eched on to mini PCB kinda crap, but sureley they can make these kinda things more future proof ??

AMD does need to pull some thing out of there bums, i've had AMD's for the past 4 years and my mates go and get a pentium and trash me, so i overclock....
 
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