Earth on the scale of things...
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You have a 1:1 scale model, fully detailed, right under your feet.chenko said:
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Raist said:You have a 1:1 scale model, fully detailed, right under your feet.
There is no way that's gonna fit in my room...
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Pants said:WOW that's turly awesome, think about it, I would take probably a year to drive around Antares!
More like 100 years!
Excellent thread, is definatly an eye opener.
Antares is a magnificent sight, it's like a deeply coloured glowing ruby in the south of our summer skies. It still shines brightly, even though it's 600 light years away. Unfortunatly for us with our high latitude it doesn't rise high above the horizon so it shimmers and twinkles a lot because of atmospheric distortion. However in the southern skies it can reach directly overhead and is in an excellent places for telescope observation and is probably one of the most magnificent stars in our region of the galaxy.
Antares class stars on the other hand are dwarfed again by another class of star, the hypergiant. These are the most massive, hottest and luminous stars known in the universe.
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Pants said:WOW that's turly awesome, think about it, I would take probably a year to drive around Antares!
Thats an understatement.
The diameter of Anteres is about the same distance as Jupiter is from the Sun which is on average about 480 million miles.
Our Earth is 93 million miles from the Sun and if you could drive at 93 mph it would take one million hours to get to the sun. There are 8760 hours in a year so we're talking way over 100 years for the trip.
Jupiter to the Sun would take well over 500 years and just remember that Antares is 480 million miles in diameter and you said around it (circumference).
That would mean it would take at least a 1000 years plus some to drive around Antares at 93 mph.
All distances are approx and done in my head.
lol.
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I've just done a little bit of maths, if you were to drive at 70 MPH, on the outer surface of Antares (not advisable in a convertible) right around it in a straight line, it would take 579 years and nearly 5 months to complete a circuit. For LBV 1806-20, 106 years and nearly 5 months.
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posted from CNN website http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/07/10/black.holes/index.html
Thought id post here since its about earth and some meantion of black holes
(SPACE.com) -- Until recently, black holes have remained hidden beneath invisibility cloaks. Whereas a lot has been known about the existence and properties of black holes from Einstein's theory of general relativity, tangible evidence has been a recent phenomenon.
Have astronomers gained wizard-like powers to view these regions in space that are so dense that nothing, not even light, can escape their gravitational pull? Not quite.
Rather, indirect evidence from X-ray telescopes has revealed telltale signs of thousands of black holes lurking in our own galaxy and beyond. Many are the remnants of exploded stars. But to other far more massive black holes, swallowing a single star is like Mount Everest absorbing a *********.
With their X-ray vision, and other techniques, researchers are monitoring the chaotic environments around these black holes trying to solve some longstanding mysteries.
But with each question answered, a new mystery seems to pop up.
Two sizes
Black holes exist in at least two different sizes, according to astronomers. Stellar black holes, formed from the death and gravitational collapse of a massive star, weigh in at 10 to 20 solar masses. Dwarfing the stellar type, supermassive black holes hold millions to billions the mass of our Sun, and lurk at the centers of many galaxies.
It remains unclear whether a middleweight class exists, as some astronomers have suggested.
Over thousands of years, black holes grow bigger by consuming material whizzing around them. Just before gas and dust get sucked into a black hole, this matter heats up so much that it emits streams of X-rays. NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory and other telescopes equipped with X-ray vision spot the distant lights.
That's how astronomers pinpointed the first stellar black hole, called Cygnus X-1, in 1971. Since then, thousands of black holes have been spotted, bringing to light answers to many questions. And in 2001, observations of Cygnus 1 provided the first glimpse of material actually falling into a black hole.
"We are answering a lot of questions, but as usual for every question that you answer two new ones pop up," said Christopher Reynolds, an astrophysicist at the University of Maryland, College Park, in a recent telephone interview.
A growing question
Here's a longstanding head-scratcher: How does a black hole manage to vacuum up the gas and dust orbiting around it? Just like the mechanism that keeps planets orbiting the Sun, angular momentum should keep this gas and dust coasting around black holes forever.
"Because a planet has angular momentum, it keeps going around the sun. And this gas will do exactly the same thing. Unless something disturbs it, it will just keep on orbiting the black hole," Reynolds explained.
Astronomers have known that gravity alone couldn't pull off this tall order. But it wasn't until recently that lead author Jon Miller of the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor and his colleagues, including Reynolds, found evidence for the role of magnetic fields.
The team studied GRO J1655-40, a binary system composed of a seven-solar-mass black hole that is consuming gas pulled from its companion star. Images from Chandra revealed a wind of charged particles blowing out from the gaseous accretion disc. And the group says that a magnetic field is powering this glowing wind.
The charged breeze could zap the accretion disc's spin energy. With its prey weakened, a black hole could then slurp up the nearby particles, the thinking goes.
Other mysteries
There's still more to learn.
In 2000, Andrea Ghez, an astronomer at the University of California, Los Angeles, and colleagues, obtained the most detailed observations yet of the area around a super-massive black hole, one residing at the center of our galaxy and packing 3 million to 4 million times the mass of the Sun. The existence of this galactic black hole had been suspected for decades, but atmospheric turbulence had prevented clear images of activity very near the behemoth.
For four years Ghez watched as stars zipped around the galactic center at speeds of more than 3 million mph (5 million kph). From the orbits of some of the stars, Ghez could estimate the black hole's mass. Similar observations by a European group in 2002 confirmed the mass of the black hole and the fact that in theory at least, it can't be anything but a black hole.
Ghez said that it isn't entirely clear how these galactic black holes form.
"But one idea is that they may have formed from the first generation of stars in our Universe that were much more massive than stars that form today," she told SPACE.com.
Of course, with her findings came another mystery. Ghez and others have spotted very young stars near this super-massive black hole. Theory tells us that a black hole's titanic tug should prevent stars from forming.
"This creates a "paradox of youth" problem," Ghez said.
So even with more probing, black holes remain some of the most enigmatic inhabitants of the Universe. To peer into some other stellar mysteries, check out SPACE.com's Top 10 Star Mysteries.
Thought id post here since its about earth and some meantion of black holes
(SPACE.com) -- Until recently, black holes have remained hidden beneath invisibility cloaks. Whereas a lot has been known about the existence and properties of black holes from Einstein's theory of general relativity, tangible evidence has been a recent phenomenon.
Have astronomers gained wizard-like powers to view these regions in space that are so dense that nothing, not even light, can escape their gravitational pull? Not quite.
Rather, indirect evidence from X-ray telescopes has revealed telltale signs of thousands of black holes lurking in our own galaxy and beyond. Many are the remnants of exploded stars. But to other far more massive black holes, swallowing a single star is like Mount Everest absorbing a *********.
With their X-ray vision, and other techniques, researchers are monitoring the chaotic environments around these black holes trying to solve some longstanding mysteries.
But with each question answered, a new mystery seems to pop up.
Two sizes
Black holes exist in at least two different sizes, according to astronomers. Stellar black holes, formed from the death and gravitational collapse of a massive star, weigh in at 10 to 20 solar masses. Dwarfing the stellar type, supermassive black holes hold millions to billions the mass of our Sun, and lurk at the centers of many galaxies.
It remains unclear whether a middleweight class exists, as some astronomers have suggested.
Over thousands of years, black holes grow bigger by consuming material whizzing around them. Just before gas and dust get sucked into a black hole, this matter heats up so much that it emits streams of X-rays. NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory and other telescopes equipped with X-ray vision spot the distant lights.
That's how astronomers pinpointed the first stellar black hole, called Cygnus X-1, in 1971. Since then, thousands of black holes have been spotted, bringing to light answers to many questions. And in 2001, observations of Cygnus 1 provided the first glimpse of material actually falling into a black hole.
"We are answering a lot of questions, but as usual for every question that you answer two new ones pop up," said Christopher Reynolds, an astrophysicist at the University of Maryland, College Park, in a recent telephone interview.
A growing question
Here's a longstanding head-scratcher: How does a black hole manage to vacuum up the gas and dust orbiting around it? Just like the mechanism that keeps planets orbiting the Sun, angular momentum should keep this gas and dust coasting around black holes forever.
"Because a planet has angular momentum, it keeps going around the sun. And this gas will do exactly the same thing. Unless something disturbs it, it will just keep on orbiting the black hole," Reynolds explained.
Astronomers have known that gravity alone couldn't pull off this tall order. But it wasn't until recently that lead author Jon Miller of the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor and his colleagues, including Reynolds, found evidence for the role of magnetic fields.
The team studied GRO J1655-40, a binary system composed of a seven-solar-mass black hole that is consuming gas pulled from its companion star. Images from Chandra revealed a wind of charged particles blowing out from the gaseous accretion disc. And the group says that a magnetic field is powering this glowing wind.
The charged breeze could zap the accretion disc's spin energy. With its prey weakened, a black hole could then slurp up the nearby particles, the thinking goes.
Other mysteries
There's still more to learn.
In 2000, Andrea Ghez, an astronomer at the University of California, Los Angeles, and colleagues, obtained the most detailed observations yet of the area around a super-massive black hole, one residing at the center of our galaxy and packing 3 million to 4 million times the mass of the Sun. The existence of this galactic black hole had been suspected for decades, but atmospheric turbulence had prevented clear images of activity very near the behemoth.
For four years Ghez watched as stars zipped around the galactic center at speeds of more than 3 million mph (5 million kph). From the orbits of some of the stars, Ghez could estimate the black hole's mass. Similar observations by a European group in 2002 confirmed the mass of the black hole and the fact that in theory at least, it can't be anything but a black hole.
Ghez said that it isn't entirely clear how these galactic black holes form.
"But one idea is that they may have formed from the first generation of stars in our Universe that were much more massive than stars that form today," she told SPACE.com.
Of course, with her findings came another mystery. Ghez and others have spotted very young stars near this super-massive black hole. Theory tells us that a black hole's titanic tug should prevent stars from forming.
"This creates a "paradox of youth" problem," Ghez said.
So even with more probing, black holes remain some of the most enigmatic inhabitants of the Universe. To peer into some other stellar mysteries, check out SPACE.com's Top 10 Star Mysteries.
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Wow! This thread is brilliant!
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All I can say is WOW! The scale of some of these stars is mindblowing. I knew the sun wasn't the biggest star but hadn't realised how much bigger stars can get.
Anyone care to work out how many times bigger Antares is than Earth? Must be millions.
The scale of some of these stars is mindblowing. I knew the sun wasn't the biggest star but hadn't realised how much bigger stars can get.Anyone care to work out how many times bigger Antares is than Earth? Must be millions.
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Another image that I like, that sets the scale of our solar system is;
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Morlan said:
Is that petrol bought from Britain or say for example - Egypt?
Personally I'd do it in my Turbo Diesel Mondeo to get a few more miles out.
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