Ebay - And after I usually defend them :)

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Whenever the Ebay threads arrive here I'm usually first in line to defend them. Mainly because I've used the site trouble free for many years and any issues have gone my way.
Also so many people moan at Ebay when they haven't done things like using a trackable service etc.
I buy and sell and it's as a seller I'm just about to lose out - which will mean I'll end up out of pocket as I won't get the selling fees back and I'll end up out of pocket on postage (in both directions).

I had an ASUS RT-N56U router which was working fine - decided to sell on. As a final "before I sell" test I left it running on my broadband connection for a week, all working as it should do. I'd updated to the latest firmware and tested.
Someone wins the auction and I send it off. After a couple of days I email the buyer just to confirm the item arrived OK, like to make sure.
I hear nothing - so assume all is well.
Fast forward, the guy has had it over three weeks when I get a message from him "I cannot log into the router - I need the password". I was out when he posted this message. 45 minutes later he raised a "return" citing the item was damaged & faulty.
I get home, explain it had been tested, I was convinced I'd reset the device to factory, however it is literally a 10 second job to do just that and I give him instructions.
He messages back - tells me he can now login.
Wait another week and he tells me he just cannot get it to work on his broadband connection, so he will be wanting a full refund - again citing "faulty & damaged" as the reason (I always list my items as no return - so that was his only way of getting a return raised).

I of course don't want to refund him and have the item returned. I lose the selling fees, the postage sending it to him and of course as it's apparently "faulty" (which it isn't) I have to pay his return postage as well.
Today was the deadline I had to give him his refund and so Ebay are "involved" now. I've told them the full story and explain that no, I do not accept returns where the buyer is unable to set something up - that is his problem.
I know I will lose this one. My funds from the sale are already on hold - so they will be taken back and I'll end up out of pocket.

I still like Ebay and as I've said, up until this time I've never had a problem. It just annoys me when a seller (like myself) with a 350+ rating and 100% feedback is basically not believed against a buyer rated 12.
It annoys me further than even if you put "no returns" on your sale, all someone has to do is claim it's damaged and/or faulty and they bypass my restrictions and will almost certainly have Ebay side with them.
Once again - another company that rewards stupidity!

Anyway, rant over. Won't stop me using the site, I've had some good prices on things I've sold and I've picked up some bargains now and again too, but I can see why many hate the place.
 
Good luck.

Hate the ever increasing attitude people have to stuff like that - was in a shop the other day when someone was returning a load of stuff and it was blatantly obvious they'd had a kids party and then returned the stuff half used afterwards to get their money back effectively a "free" rental :S and I expect they think they were clever for gaming the system as well.
 
ebay is ****. As a buyer, it's mostly overpriced. As a seller, lol, it's scamtastic.

The only thing ebay is good for is as a marketplace for extremely low value items. I mean, <£10. Then it's OK. As a buyer ;)
 
Yea I use the MM Specifically because it's a enthusiasts forum. And unlike people of eBay who are not (always) enthusiasts the guys on here actually know how to plug something in :D and also aren't **** (another word for craniums)
 
You haven't even lost the case yet. I don't see why they would not rule in your favour. He has no proof that it's faulty. They freeze your funds simply as a precaution.

That's said, Ebay has f'd me several times and forced me to go through paypal for refund. Their dispute resolution is a joke at times.
 
Shouldn't have told ebay that "you do not accept returns" as it is not relevant in this case. It just makes you sound like you want to wash hands of all responsibility.

You should provide ebay with evidence that the product is working and the buyer is simply unable to set the product up. Hopefully, in your communications you have solicited responses which reveals this to be the case.

Otherwise there is nothing to say it isn't faulty. However unlikely it is, things can break in the interim since you last used it.
 
One of the reasons I don't use ebay....

Have got a thought about the user's 'issues' though. Could they be thinking it has a built in modem? I wouldn't put it past someone who doesn't know how to hard reset a router trying to plug the telephone socket cable straight into the 'internet' port on the router and then thinking it doesn't work because they didn't set it up right lol
 
I find it amazing how people can actually write "no returns" and somehow believe that it holds an water. If you potentially sell a problematic item then you have to accept returns and refunds, end of story. Thinking otherwise is just dim, considering Ebay and PayPal state that you must, and will force you to do it anyway.
 
I find it amazing how people can actually write "no returns" and somehow believe that it holds an water. If you potentially sell a problematic item then you have to accept returns and refunds, end of story. Thinking otherwise is just dim, considering Ebay and PayPal state that you must, and will force you to do it anyway.

They don't mean 'no returns when the item is broken and doesn't work' they mean 'you can't just change your mind and send it back for no reason' or as in this case, 'no I won't take it back just because you are too stupid to work it'

Surprising as it may be, some people will accept returns based on people just changing their mind, so it does no harm to state that you don't.

It has nothing to do with trying to shirk out of responsibility for broken stuff, which you are obliged to take responsibility for anyway.

The problems come when people are able to abuse the facility to return faulty stuff by lying to eBay and get returns on non-faulty stuff.
 
The only way to get round the abuse of no returns and cover your back is to sell the item as 'not working or for spares'. Thats what i always do for PC stuff. I had a guy try it on a while back and ebay sided with me. Same with car parts I sell on ebay.
 
yep, here we go again

ebay are about to send the £219 I 'owe' them to a debt collectors agency...despite me telling them about fifty times that I will only pay it when the buyer sends ALL items back to me.
 
They don't mean 'no returns when the item is broken and doesn't work' they mean 'you can't just change your mind and send it back for no reason' or as in this case, 'no I won't take it back just because you are too stupid to work it'

I'm not sure on anything, but you are allowed to legally send something back if you bought it online for any reason at all right? Even if you don't like it, distance selling regulations or something.
 
I'm not sure on anything, but you are allowed to legally send something back if you bought it online for any reason at all right? Even if you don't like it, distance selling regulations or something.

The DSR has been replace now. But nevertheless what you state was for business sales not private sales (and also had conditions and time limits on it).
 
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