Ebay and their delivery partner shutl

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Hi all,

Not sure quite where else to ask hence the post here. It's semi relevant as I've just sold a laptop through ebay (for spares and repairs, but with screen and mobo in tact so would boot).

I was pushed very heavily into using their own shutl delivery service, but as it was cheap I went along with it.

My first issue, is that I paid for a 2-3 day service (which made no mention of weekdays) and the parcel arrived 7 days later (including a weekend so 5 days if we're being generous). It even showed up in ebay as "5-7 day delivery".
I emailed shutl to complain before the item arrived and was told:
- that weekends don't count (despite this being nowhere in ts and Cs),
- that as I had dropped off in an evening, that day didn't count
- and that even then, they couldn't entertain refunds for small delays. (it was a day late even with their two get outs)

The item has now arrived at the other end, but the buyer claims its damaged (screen smashed, won't boot).
I've seen no evidence of this yet but having preemptively looked at the refund pages on the shutl site, I now see an exclusions page that covers just about everything under the sun (and certainly 90% of items sold on ebay). This isnt a list I was shown during the buying process but it does say that 'electronic goods' are not covered.

I've entrusted ebays official partner with my delivery and its arrived late and destroyed. Where do I stand?
 
You aren't exactly pushed to use Shutl, they give you a choice between shutl, royal mail or just sorting delivery yourself.
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Actually, if you use the Android app, you're only given a list of set options which are from shutl or Royal mail. I can find no way to say "other". Though I am aware you can choose other through the website.

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Did you purchase the insurance top up?

I sort of wish I had, but as the item is on the exclusion list, I'm sure this would have been further wasted money.
 
While the machine was sold as "Spares OR repairs", I did specify that the screen and mobo were ok (which they were). The item is therefore (if buyer is to be believed), not as described.

The buyer has responded to my request for details and photos saying:
"the photos are annexed to show my disappointment and reason"
But no photos show up in the ebay message thread.. does anyone know where I might find the photos once they're uploaded?
 
Not that it really matters, but here are the list of options I'm given on the ebay app now I go back to re-list the item (just as a test)

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Select large parcel then the generic options are at the bottom of the list
Look's like you're correct, but it's not a large parcel.. So I think saying I was pushed towards using their service isn't unfair.

that's just common sense
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you'll have ticked or agreed to their terms and conditions during the booking process - they don't need to make you scroll down the list.
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you're being unreasonable.

While I can see where you're coming from, if they can use T's & C's to get out of liability on a technicality, then why can't I use the shortcomings in those same T's and C's?
The Ts and Cs define a weekday, but make no mention of delivery times being WRT weekends/weekdays. Therefore what the Ts and Cs say is that 2-3 days, means 48-62 hours. Likewise, they mention no cut-off points for dropping off.
In any case, they've delivered a parcel late for what was a priority service. And that's before they potentially damaged the contents.

Back to the matter at hand though, I now have a response from the buyer with 'photos'... They've been taken on a potato with the flash turned off and no other lighting so really don't show anything. The original listing photos showed damage to the case/hinge so it might be that the buyer didn't know what they were buying.
I think they might also be complaining that it wont turn on, but the battery is probably dead, and there are no HDDs (mentioned in the listing) so it's to be expected that it wont.

If the buyer is just disappointed that the item he bought for ~£50 isnt the behemoth gaming laptop it once, was will ebay still make me refund and pay for 2x postage?
 
Latest message from the buyer finished "seems e-bay will need to step in"

What's the process from here? Does he appeal with ebay and they come down one side or the other? Can I pre-empt it and get in contact with ebay myself and plead my case?
 
Sounds like I'm a bit screwed either way then which is quite sad.

Not only will I be down 2x postage plus what was a saleable item, but today I got an email from ebay reminding me that their commission based fee will be auto-debited from my paypal also!

In the end I'll have paid ebay and their delivery agent close to £20 for the pleasure of doing me out of £70 worth of goods.
 
Their fee will be credited back to if you follow the correct returns procedure through eBay.
What does "the correct returns procedure" mean though? Do I just have to accept a refund on trust? And, if I want the machine back, to pay for its postage a second time?

My last two messages have asked how the buyer wishes to proceed giving 3 options:

1) With proof of physical damage (a cracked screen) we can look to agree a partial refund. [all I want is a decent photo which they seem to refuse to take]
2) With proof that there are further issues we can arrange a full refund [the buyer claims the system will not boot with an external monitor, but it was sold without HDDs so I imagine it just says "no boot media" or similar]
3) If the buyer wants to spend no time taking photos or showing fault (which after a week of trading messages, they appear not to), they can send it back to me to examine.

He has completely ignored these and the previous couple of messages have been increasingly rude... I'm going to keep messaging once per day asking how he/she want's to proceed, but imagine it will proceed to ebay ruling now which to my understanding leaves me paying the ebay fee either way...
 
So a semi-happy ending (compared to what was expected); the buyer accepted a partial refund! Obviously I'm out of pocket compared to where I should have been, but at least I'm not out of pocket 'net'.

I now just need to try to get some money back from shutl for delivering late and destroying the item...
 
Did he show you proof?

The buyer didn't provide any further evidence, but looking really closely at the original photos, if you blow up / zoom then there are what look like they might be cracks. But only really if you are looking for them.

Bearing in mind no new photos were going to be provided though, and with the ebay arbitration looming, losing some money rather than all the money seemed like a best case scenario.

Not likely to return to ebay as a seller...
 
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