Ebay Fraud

dirtydog said:
They are also for people who can't be around for the end of the auction to bid in person. Plus (I've never never used them but I assume) they bid at the last possible moment, to avoid any human error. I once sniped manually and bid a fraction too late, and lost as a result ;)

i know that, im just saying they are good for people in the scenario i gave.

it would be interesting to see how much money a sniper actually saves people.
 
dirtydog said:
Reserve prices put buyers off - I don't waste my time bidding on any auction with a reserve. In an internet auction they are pointless; just set the starting price for what you want.

then accept that the item will sell for whatever the paying public are willing to pay for it.
 
There is no question that sniping saves money. If you bid in the final minute, you often get people bidding afterwards who had already bid earlier.
 
Morba said:
then accept that the item will sell for whatever the paying public are willing to pay for it.
I buy and sell on ebay, more selling than buying, but I don't know how anyone can justify shill bidding. It is underhand and anti-competitive, and does the consumer (buyer) no favours at all.
 
Anyone saying it isn't fraud is talking rubbish to defend themselves - you are placing a bid and claiming to be a genuine bidder who wishes to buy the item at the price given. You are doing so fraudulently. Hence, it's fraud, it's against Ebay's rules, and they should rightly do everything possibly to clamp down on it.
 
vonhelmet said:
Shill bidders = scum.

End of.

Argue your case all you want, it doesn't stop you being a loser.

Loser maybe, but I'm a loser who's £50 richer. It doesn't matter if it's an online auction or in Sothebys, shill bidding happens. If you don't like it then simply choose to purchase your goods from a non-capitalist business...
 
There's nothing wrong with capitalism so long as both buyer and seller abide by the rules of the market, and everything is out in the open and not done by deception. Shill bidding breaks those rules.
 
I guess its a way to avoid listing fee's

set a 99p start, get your mate to bid up to what your reserve would have been anyway, job done saved fee's.

lets face it the less that goes to ebay/paypal the the better, they are useless if you contact them with a problem.
 
Spuds said:
Loser maybe, but I'm a loser who's £50 richer. It doesn't matter if it's an online auction or in Sothebys, shill bidding happens. If you don't like it then simply choose to purchase your goods from a non-capitalist business...

Like I said, loser.
 
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