Caporegime
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Seams reasonable, 'lost' 40 miles of range. If they pre-heated the car it would have used far less but that want the point. Far colder than the average winter day in most of the UK too.
Nissan said at there launch the reason why there is not a 60kwh Leaf already is because it was too expensive.
I get your point about hatch backs, certainly true for Europe. But isn't the case for the USA which is Tesla's primary market. Sedans, SUV's and pickups lead the way.
Nissan said at there launch the reason why there is not a 60kwh Leaf already is because it was too expensive.
I get your point about hatch backs, certainly true for Europe. But isn't the case for the USA which is Tesla's primary market. Sedans, SUV's and pickups lead the way.
That test is flawed as a way of measuring how the heater performs. The outbound journey was from cold, starting at -6°C. The return was from warm (the car had only been sitting for a couple of hours) at 2°C. He could have had the heater on both ways, and the return journey still would have shown a significant improvement.
I've just gone out and tested heating power consumption on my Leaf. The car has a screen that shows how much power is being consumed.
It's 8°C outside. The car was the same temperature.
Preheating to 20°C:
Holding temperature:
Preheat took two minutes. So less than 100 Watts from a 20,000+ Watt-hour battery. Keeping the cabin warm looks to be taking about 0.5kW. Depending on how fast you're driving, the Leaf has a 60-90 minute range. So at worst 1kW for heating based on 8°C ambient temperature and no preheating. About 3 miles (which is exactly what the Leaf is calculating it as).
I've just gone out and tested heating power consumption on my Leaf. The car has a screen that shows how much power is being consumed.
It's 8°C outside. The car was the same temperature.
Preheating to 20°C:
Holding temperature:
Preheat took two minutes. So less than 100 Watts from a 20,000+ Watt-hour battery. Keeping the cabin warm looks to be taking about 0.5kW. Depending on how fast you're driving, the Leaf has a 60-90 minute range. So at worst 1kW for heating based on 8°C ambient temperature and no preheating. About 3 miles (which is exactly what the Leaf is calculating it as).
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I think we’re mixing up markets. I’m discussing the Leaf in the UK market (as it’s available now) and the Bolt in the US market (as it’s been available for almost a year).
The 2019 Leaf is going to have to have that range and price point or it’s not worth manufacturing, at least for the US market as you say.
Hopefully Tesla announce the Model Y soon. If it’s based on the same platform but just a few k more then it’s likely to do very well, taking a large chunk of the “standard” and “premium” markets of small SUVs, depending on how it compares to the likes of the I Pace, XC40 and myriad other small SUVs going to be launched in the next year or two. Perhaps, even though the saloon/sedan market is smaller, Tesla may have less competition in it and do better.
And on the SUV front more info about the Byron.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.the...car-ride-first-look-test-touchscreen-ces-2018
As it’s a concept hopefully they get rid of that screen on the wheel. The dash screen is 3840x720 so not actually that “huge”. Also multiple performance versions, with one being 476HP.
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Who's to say there is a 2019 Leaf? Nothing has been confirmed as yet. There's a 60kWh car coming, and a Leaf Nismo. The 60kWh car could be something else, like an electric SUV.
Personally, I'll be surprised if the current version is replaced at the end of the year.
Personally, I'll be surprised if the current version is replaced at the end of the year.
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Nissan have confirmed there will be a 2019 with a larger battery, and at least 225 miles (EPA) range. There’s still questions over the addition of more powerful motor, thermal management, faster charging as that’s not confirmed (just a “leak” at the moment).
If it turns out all that is an electric version of the X Trail/Rogue instead then all the better IMO.
Edit: and more on the Byton. If they ever actually get to manufacturing stages then their aim is.
So two versions, presumably the base model will come in at a bit more than the base Y (when announced) and the performance one would be more akin to the X.
https://electrek.co/2018/01/08/byton-all-electric-suv/
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