The coal related illness/death is surely very lowballed......
my wifes uncle was a coal minor back in the day, his lungs are completely shot now and i think few would argue that his job was likely a large reason for it................ however officially it wont be recorded as that because he was also a smoker and that likely has also played its part.
the issue is in the 1980s practically everyone was a smoker................. so (according to him at least and he should know given he has gone through this) his health issues will never be linked to coal mining...... and individually i get it but it seems odd how many of his colleagues have/had lung related issues (but again, they were all smokers)
I agree with that and I think there's more on top of that. There's also the radioactivity issue. Mining and burning coal has released more radioactive waste into the environment than nuclear power has. Far more. Plus the direct deaths from coal mining accidents, collapsing waste heaps (Aberfan being the most infamous example in this country). Plus the water pollution. Then there's the places like Centralia.
As for nuclear..............I am in the camp of we need some nuclear if we want to go carbon neutral at least for now.............. however it takes some serious mind games imo to try to argue against the fact that it IS an incredibly dangerous technology (ok the odds of cataclysm are low.......... but the potential effects if we have one are huge).
It's far less dangerous than burning stuff. Especially burning coal. Even ignoring the environmental damage and just counting human deaths that are a direct result of electricity generation (mining accidents, other accidents, diseases caused by the pollution). A modern fission power station is even less dangerous than what we've had so far. The risks shouldn't be ignored, but it's the least bad option we have. I'm also in the camp of we need some nuclear fission for now, obviously. Not long term. Just until a better option exists.
I mean come on.... who really believes the official figures from Russia? Christ they initially lied about the explosion full stop, they lied about the levels after they eventually admitted there was a radiation leak , they lied about the design issue of the reactor when it came to the emergency stop.
The UN is not Russia. The IAEA is not Russia.
but even forgetting that, it isnt how many people HAVE died it is the potential for disaster on a scale we have not seen yet. be it an accident, negligence, act or god, act of war or some bad actor deliberately sabotaging it in an act of terrorism.
how many miles of land are considered dangerous even now around Chernobyll ? and that was a fairly small explosion compared to what it could be. then add into that the costs of maintaining the dome around that power station and the expense of getting rid or storing of the nuclear waste and stripping down an end of life reactor even if nothing goes wrong.
Can you tell me how a modern nuclear fission power station could fail in a way far worse than Chernobyl? Or as bad? Or how a power station could have an explosion that would make the one at Chernobyl seem "fairly small" in comparison?
So yes I accept we need some nuclear but anyone who tries to say Hydro/wind/solar is more expensive, more dangerous or potentially more environmentally impactful either has an agenda or has been smoking too much of the good stuff imo.
Wind and solar, no. They're in the same ballpark as fission regarding danger. Cost is somewhat debatable once you account for the fact that massive overcapacity is required because the nameplate generating capacity of wind and solar is so misleading that it's reasonable to call it a lie, but it's probably cheaper. Although maybe not if small modular fission reactors work. Potentially more environmentally impactful, no. Actually more environmentally impactful, I'd say also no but I'm not sure because the environmental impact is very different.
Hydro is definitely more dangerous. Arguably more potentially environmentally impactful, although that's debateable as the type of impact is very different. Banqiao killed ~230,000 people and devastated so large an area that ~11,000,000 people were left homeless. And Banqiao wasn't even a worst case scenario for hydroelectric.
On a lighter note
Without nuclear power we would never have had The Big Bus (film) so there is that![]()
I remember my mum taking me to the cinema to watch that!