Emissions hypocrisy

[Glaucus]

Ah right now we get to the crux of the matter - you believe the great global warming swindle.

sea levels have fallen,
all these global warming models have failed to predict, year on year out for over a decade, so much so the eu body for climate has to reduce there predictions year in year out for the effect of co2.

then you have co2 is a rubbish greenhouse gas and the total lack of effort to make models like the global, most models only have a couple of factors not the millions that create are environment.

and what's the point of saying I believe in the swindle when I can say you believe in the media scaremongering.


at eh end of the day we need energy, developing countries need energy, it's better to accept we are not going to reduce co2 by a large amount and concentrate on are life, rather than living in fear.

 

[Beren]

Before you start shouting China down too much they are pretty serious about the affect of global warming.

A large amount of their drinking water each year comes from glacier melt. Those galciers are retreating causing havoc to their water supply. AFAIK and I havn't done a lot of research into it there could be 10's of millions of Chinese suffering chronic water shortages inside the not too distant future... which will almost certainly focus the mind on how to tackle carbon emissions.

We all know the world is warming up. We don't know exactly how much of it is caused by us... but it is definitely happening. We also know that fossil fuel is a finite resource, maybe there is 20 years easilly accesible fuel left, maybe 70 but we have to wean ourselves off it at some point so why not be ahead of the game? So if China say they arn't going to do too much about it now then great! They are going to have to do something soonish and if we have the tech developed and working then we can sell it to them from a huge vantage point!

 

[Glaucus]

We all know the world is warming up. We don't know exactly how much of it is caused by us... but it is definitely happening. We also know that fossil fuel is a finite resource, maybe there is 20 years easilly accesible fuel left, maybe 70 but we have to wean ourselves off it at some point so why not be ahead of the game? So if China say they arn't going to do too much about it now then great! They are going to have to do something soonish and if we have the tech developed and working then we can sell it to them from a huge vantage point!

A man who see sense. That's exactly what we should be doing, where a high tech country and this is exactly what we should be doing.

also the added advantage is we wouldn't rely on other countries for gas/oil.

 

[platypus]

Source?

I think that our government has been putting plenty of effort into getting people to use their cars less and I've even heard that packaging is going to display the carbon footprint of the product, so that consumers can choose whether they want to buy something made locally or imported from across the world. So no offence, but I think you're talking crap.

The reason I don't buy any fresh produce from Tesco's is because no produce comes from the UK. Quite aside from my reservations about buying produce from Israel (most of the peppers and garlic they sell seem to be from there). Next time I'm in the supermarket, beit Sainsbury's, Tesco's, M&S or Waitrose, if I remember I'll make a list of where the produce is from, and I bet you most, if not all, is from abroad.

 

[J.T]

sea levels have fallen,
all these global warming models have failed to predict, year on year out for over a decade, so much so the eu body for climate has to reduce there predictions year in year out for the effect of co2.

then you have co2 is a rubbish greenhouse gas and the total lack of effort to make models like the global, most models only have a couple of factors not the millions that create are environment.

and what's the point of saying I believe in the swindle when I can say you believe in the media scaremongering.


at eh end of the day we need energy, developing countries need energy, it's better to accept we are not going to reduce co2 by a large amount and concentrate on are life, rather than living in fear.

Well said.

You only have to look back at history to see this warming and cooling trend (as well as sea levels rising and falling) has been going on for ever, if we have sped it up with greenhouse gases we produce or not it would have happened anyway sooner or later and we still would have to deal with it.

 

[Glaucus]

The reason I don't buy any fresh produce from Tesco's is because no produce comes from the UK. Quite aside from my reservations about buying produce from Israel (most of the peppers and garlic they sell seem to be from there). Next time I'm in the supermarket, beit Sainsbury's, Tesco's, M&S or Waitrose, if I remember I'll make a list of where the produce is from, and I bet you most, if not all, is from abroad.

That's got a lot to do with seasons though, it's hard to grow large quantity's of veg in this country, which aren't native. where to cold for one, soil acidity ect ect.

If you want to shop like that, you need to learn what is in season, then look for that and make sure it's English.

It's either waitros or ms, who have a local farm bit for veg, everything on those shelfs are produced within 15miles.

 

[Van_Dammesque]

The reason I don't buy any fresh produce from Tesco's is because no produce comes from the UK. Quite aside from my reservations about buying produce from Israel (most of the peppers and garlic they sell seem to be from there). Next time I'm in the supermarket, beit Sainsbury's, Tesco's, M&S or Waitrose, if I remember I'll make a list of where the produce is from, and I bet you most, if not all, is from abroad.

Remember Young's transporting seafood caught in scotland, then transported via ship to thailand and back just for them to be shelled! Talk about a waste!

 

[platypus]

That's got a lot to do with seasons though, it's hard to grow large quantity's of veg in this country, which aren't native. where to cold for one, soil acidity ect ect.

If you want to shop like that, you need to learn what is in season, then look for that and make sure it's English.

It's either waitros or ms, who have a local farm bit for veg, everything on those shelfs are produced within 15miles.

Aye I realise that, I was just pointing out the flaw in that guys argument, about the whole carbon footprint thing.

But you have to look at the vegetables that can be grown all year round, and you'll see that most, if not all, are from abroad, because even with import fee's (fuels, tax etc), they can make more of a profit.

 

[Glaucus]

Aye I realise that, I was just pointing out the flaw in that guys argument, about the whole carbon footprint thing.

 

[scorza]

It is scientifically more convincing than al gore's results! (and no i do not work for an oil company!) Another reason: from an American program, was the temperatures measured are at ground level, as we know temp levels are always higher in cities than countryside. So measured temps. are always going to increase if they measure temp. in more productive cities that are constantly expanding/using more energy. One of the people on global warming swindle has launched a weather satellite to measure the temp in the atmosphere, at the moment he sees no increase to the temp in the atmosphere.

To neglect the sun in all of the models for global warming is quite frankly amateur hour!

EDIT: the program is called "Global Warming - Doomsday Called Off"

Trouble is, there's a helluva lot more people than the tedious Al Gore who are saying it. The amount of criticism of TGGWS is immense, I can't believe that Channel 4 actually screened it. One scientist featured on it has even said that his views were misrepresented. When another scientist criticised the programme makers suggestions, the programme maker responded with some pretty unscientific insults.

But hey, as long as we keep our head buried in the sand its ok huh?

 

[scorza]

Remember Young's transporting seafood caught in scotland, then transported via ship to thailand and back just for them to be shelled! Talk about a waste!

Surely a good thing unless you want Thailand to remain a third world country?

 

[scorza]

Aye I realise that, I was just pointing out the flaw in that guys argument, about the whole carbon footprint thing.

But you have to look at the vegetables that can be grown all year round, and you'll see that most, if not all, are from abroad, because even with import fee's (fuels, tax etc), they can make more of a profit.

Hence why its a good thing to show a products carbon footprint on its packaging.

 

[platypus]

Hence why its a good thing to show a products carbon footprint on its packaging.

I think it'd be a damn sight better to make these companies sell British produce.

 

[Eriedor]

I think it'd be a damn sight better to make these companies sell British produce.

EU farming policy means we are not allowed to produce enough food to feed ourselves.

What this all boils down to is capitalism, you cannot fight its drive.

 

[platypus]

EU farming policy means we are not allowed to produce enough food to feed ourselves.

What this all boils down to is capitalism, you cannot fight its drive.

Nope

 

[Dolph]

Their main argument is that they only produce something like half a ton of CO2 per person per year while the USA is around 4 tons per person per year. God help us all if they end up like the USA as they are already on the way to doubling the number of cars in the world in the next decade

If climate change is driven by man made co2, the enviroment doesn't care how many people it takes to produce it, only the absolute amount produced, so this stance is irrelevant.

 

[Bear]

Source?

I think that our government has been putting plenty of effort into getting people to use their cars less and I've even heard that packaging is going to display the carbon footprint of the product, so that consumers can choose whether they want to buy something made locally or imported from across the world. So no offence, but I think you're talking crap.

You dont need a source unless you have your head shoved so far up your backside you cant see whats in front of you. Of course these things are starting to be available but guess what those cheap jeans in shops arent from here are they, nor are the computer parts etc. People what cheap goods, people want to drive cars, people want to try foods from other countries, people want their holidays abroad.

People want that yet some want to stop other countries from having them, that is the hypocrisy. You may want to feel morally superior but unless you do none of the above, you are the one talking crap as you put it. As far as I can see all around me, people are doing business as usual.

 

[scorza]

You dont need a source unless you have your head shoved so far up your backside you cant see whats in front of you. Of course these things are starting to be available but guess what those cheap jeans in shops arent from here are they, nor are the computer parts etc. People what cheap goods, people want to drive cars, people want to try foods from other countries, people want their holidays abroad.

People want that yet some want to stop other countries from having them, that is the hypocrisy. You may want to feel morally superior but unless you do none of the above, you are the one talking crap as you put it. As far as I can see all around me, people are doing business as usual.

Companies spend millions every year trying to find out what their customers (or consumers) want. Now they don't have to - Bear can just tell them

At the moment the only choice presented to consumers is on price, so its not surprising that people tend to buy cheaper goods. In the future carbon footprints will be included so they may want to pay a bit extra for something with a low footprint, or not as the case may be. Even an airline has announced its going to print the carbon footprint of a flight to give consumers a better choice.

BTW this isn't about first world first or keeping the third world down, its about global warming - something which affects everyone on the planet whether they are rich or poor. Its not about fairness its about trying to reduce the amount of carbon emitted by human activity.

 

[Bear]

Companies spend millions every year trying to find out what their customers (or consumers) want. Now they don't have to - Bear can just tell them

At the moment the only choice presented to consumers is on price, so its not surprising that people tend to buy cheaper goods. In the future carbon footprints will be included so they may want to pay a bit extra for something with a low footprint, or not as the case may be. Even an airline has announced its going to print the carbon footprint of a flight to give consumers a better choice.

BTW this isn't about first world first or keeping the third world down, its about global warming - something which affects everyone on the planet whether they are rich or poor. Its not about fairness its about trying to reduce the amount of carbon emitted by human activity.

Im not telling them anything, just observing that the reality isnt how enlightened the west is and how bad developing countries are.

Developing countries are doing just that, they are getting themselves out of a bad situation, just like any other country that has the means to, will do. If we were in their situation, we would be doing exactly them same thing, because everyone wants to improve their lot.

It is all about the first world keeping the third world down. There is currently a finite amount of energy which we are all fighting for. We dont want them consuming energy like we currently do as it will supposedly kill us all off, yet we dont drastically cut our emmissions any where near enough to the supposed recommended levels (not that I even believe nor care about the whole global warming spiel).

Its all, Im alright Jack **** the rest of you, I have it you cant.