England Squad Announced for Euro Qualifiers
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Barry is a pants holding midfielder though, I know we don't have many options but i would get someone new in there now to bed them in ready for the euros.
Agreed. Would love to see him in the Alonso role in a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1. For Spurs and England.
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His "current form" being one hat-trick? Against Comedy Villa Defence?
All this Carroll For England talk is ludicrous right now. If he establishes himself in the Prem, fine, but one good game is not worthy of a call up.
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Rooney --- Gerrard
A. Johnson ------ Milner ----------- Young
----- Carrick ---- (or Huddlestone)
Cole --- Dont know ---- Dont know --- G. Johnson
Hart
Yes i know Gerrard isnt a striker but to be honest your better off with Gerrard up front than anyone else, he has strength, great shot, and his 1-2's and passes, through balls to rooney would be devastating.
the biggest problem is centre backs and england just dont have any decent cb's apart from terry and ferdinand.
A. Johnson ------ Milner ----------- Young
----- Carrick ---- (or Huddlestone)
Cole --- Dont know ---- Dont know --- G. Johnson
Hart
Yes i know Gerrard isnt a striker but to be honest your better off with Gerrard up front than anyone else, he has strength, great shot, and his 1-2's and passes, through balls to rooney would be devastating.
the biggest problem is centre backs and england just dont have any decent cb's apart from terry and ferdinand.
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Actually he looked powerful against Utd, and gave Vidic a bit of a problem, just very little delivery, and he scored in his last game, scored a little over 1 in every 2 games last season aswell.
ISn't it about time we stop picking strikers only because they play for certain teams in the premier league, assuming everyone else just sucks. IF Walcott didn't play at Arsenal and Wenger wasn't such a tool, Walcott would never have been in the senior england team yet. SWP and Lennon get picked because they've scored a few and are at top 8 teams, Barry the same, he's just fairly useless, not great going forwards, quite poor defensively, why anyone would suggest he should be the holding midfielder is laughable, for what 3-4 years now he and Lampard play and its Lampard he does more defensive work, he hasn't played DM in his life but people still act like he's a defensive midfielder. He DOES NOT play a holding midfielder at City and he didn't at Villa, he's completely horrible and constantly misses dangerous runs into the box.... thats the JOB of a DM, almost entirely and likewise that cost us time and time again at the world cup.
Barry shouldn't be in the squad, he's simply not good enough in any aspect of his game.
Likewise people who dismiss Bent, he's got the best scoring record of any English striker in the league over the past 6-7 years. Yes he didn't match Rooney(marginally) last year, but most years he's quite easily outscored him, Crouch, Defoe, shouldn't really need to mention Heskey, or anyone else.
Glen Johnson can't defend, at all, Lescott has barely had games, but probably in there because he can play left back/central so is cover, and against certain sides a massive back four could potentially be very very useful.
Young is simply better than Walcott and far better for football against decent teams, defends very well, endless energy and never stops giving 100%, ridiculous pace except also has the ability to pass, cross and can score from places other than within 12 yards of the goal, far more inteligent player and useful all over the pitch.
Last. Season.
Think about where Newcastle were last season. Go on, really think about it, don't just rely on some stats you've read on Wiki/BBC/Soccerbase/wherever, and tell me why Fabio Capello should play a striker based on a hat-trick, causing Vidic "a bit of a problem" (Heskey is renowned for causing defenders all sorts of trouble, but that doesn't usually do enough to satisfy his critics, does it?), and scoring 17 goals last season. In the Championship.
Or maybe Capello should get on the blower and get Peter Whittingham and Nicky Maynard into the squad ASAP? Proven genius! No-one would slate him for that kind of move, oh no.
International Football isnt as a high a standard as top league football these days is it?
A few years ago, it used to be the pinnacle of the sport, now apart from 3 stand out teams, its all a bit of a joke.
So yeah, chuck Beckford in, all the other sides in international football have the odd wild card, even players that dont even have clubs.
A few years ago, it used to be the pinnacle of the sport, now apart from 3 stand out teams, its all a bit of a joke.
So yeah, chuck Beckford in, all the other sides in international football have the odd wild card, even players that dont even have clubs.
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what?
so you think spain/brazil/germany wouldnt be in the top 4 of the EPL? or the top 2 in italy/spain/germany/france?
its of a higher standard that's why england suck, english players may do well in the EPL but they dont internationally.
What?
Are you having a blonde day today? take a deep breath, read the post again and comprehend the meaning of the words I've written, if thats to much effort for you I'll spell it out below, observe
I've just said apart from 3 stand out teams, which would be Spain, Brazil, and either holland or germany I would say,and I agree with the statement you have made but in respect to the majority of the other international sides being gash and would not do well against any of the top club sides in the major european leagues.
Is that clearer for you now?
Its why watching england is so painful, its awful inept football being beaten, in the main, by slightly less awful inept football.
Look waht happened the first time they faced a side that actually played decent football, IE germany in the world cup, beaten out of sight.
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4 this season. More than Rooney. Also, fail to understand why Crouch gets such a bad wrap, hes got the best strike record for the English team..
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NO really, I actually wasn't aware Newcastle were in the championship last year, nor that he hasn't scored 17 goals in his last 3 games. However, he's outscored Defoe, Crouch, Rooney and Bent in his last 3 games, if last season is so, last season and doesn't count, then on current form he's better than all the strikers picked, he's certainly on better form than Rooney who was gifted his first goal in 378million minutes of football this weekend.
ALso no, you really just don't see Heskey trouble defenders, and therein lies the problem, he was lazy, slow, and had a habbit of half backing into a defender before throwing himself forward with no contact and asking for a freekick, just to be ignored, Heskey really doesn't trouble anyone, except Villa fans and O'Neill's therapist who just can't come up with a decent explanation for his behaviour in signing him.
Yet you prove your own point don't you, you said so what, he troubles defenders like Heskey, and yet Heskey, with a proven lack of any footballing ability, no form AT ALL for a decade, and Capello indeed picked him many many times, so by your own comparison, a guy looking for the same tactics but wanting to go with young players, whose never shut up about a big target man since he became England manager, wouldn't it actually make perfect sense he would try out a younger version of Heskey, who could also score?
You can only score, against the teams you play, scoring loads in the championship isn't a sign you can't do it in the premiership, scoring loads in the championship THEN ALSO NOT SCORING in the prem, is a sign you might not be very good, not being able to score many in the championship, is a sign you also likely aren't very good.
You have failed with your reasoning, scoring in the championship signals potential, and he's managed to knock 4 in already this season, which is more than most of the big name strikers in the league so far.
Three of those were tap-ins against a defence that fell apart! Sorry, but they really aren't a good sign of his ability. I'd much rather judge that after a concerted campaign than what could possibly be a fluke.
Again, as I said, woo big deal, he got a good goals-to-games ratio in the Championship. So tell me why Capello shouldn't call up Whittingham and Maynard? Or is it because you haven't seen them on Sky yet so you can't pretend you're an expert on them?
The rest of your post basically amounts to telling me how we should pick him because he's scored four goals in three games. WOW FOUR GOALS IN THREE ****ING GAMES! AWESOME!!! SIGN HIM UP NOW HE IS CLEARLY THE ANSWER TO ALL OUR PROBLEMS.
You know who else has scored four goals in three games? Theo Walcott? I'm sure you want him in the team just as much too ri...
Sylvan Ebanks-Blake has a bloody good record in the Championship, and has managed a couple of goals this season. Why don't we call him up? DJ Campbell? Kevin Phillips?
Again, as I said, woo big deal, he got a good goals-to-games ratio in the Championship. So tell me why Capello shouldn't call up Whittingham and Maynard? Or is it because you haven't seen them on Sky yet so you can't pretend you're an expert on them?
The rest of your post basically amounts to telling me how we should pick him because he's scored four goals in three games. WOW FOUR GOALS IN THREE ****ING GAMES! AWESOME!!! SIGN HIM UP NOW HE IS CLEARLY THE ANSWER TO ALL OUR PROBLEMS.
You know who else has scored four goals in three games? Theo Walcott? I'm sure you want him in the team just as much too ri...
Oh yeah course.
Sylvan Ebanks-Blake has a bloody good record in the Championship, and has managed a couple of goals this season. Why don't we call him up? DJ Campbell? Kevin Phillips?
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What?
Are you having a blonde day today? take a deep breath, read the post again and comprehend the meaning of the words I've written, if thats to much effort for you I'll spell it out below, observe
I've just said apart from 3 stand out teams, which would be Spain, Brazil, and either holland or germany I would say,and I agree with the statement you have made but in respect to the majority of the other international sides being gash and would not do well against any of the top club sides in the major european leagues.
Is that clearer for you now?
Its why watching england is so painful, its awful inept football being beaten, in the main, by slightly less awful inept football.
Look waht happened the first time they faced a side that actually played decent football, IE germany in the world cup, beaten out of sight.
what you have typed is wrong then,
its obvious the top 5/6 club teams are comparable with the top 3/4 international teams. then as you go down the ranks they are comparable too.
i'll give you and example
EPL -------- International
1st Chelsea ------ 1st Spain
2nd Man Utd ------ 2nd Brazil
3rd Arsenal ------ 3rd Germany
4th Man City ----- 4th Holland
5th Spurs ---- 5th Uruguay
6th Liverpool ----- 6th Argentina
7th A Villa ------ 7th Portugal
8th Birmingham ----- 8th England
International football is of a much higher standard than any national league teams, compare like for like. the comparable placed world team would demolish the EPL team. im talking 4th vs 4th not 8th vs top 4.
England arent a top international outfit so you compare them with a side which placed 8th in every top league.
you compare spain with teams that place 1st in every top league.
you compare brazil with teams that place 2nd in every top league.
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SO you're just going to ignore the fact that YOU compared him to Heskey, and ignore the fact that despite the entire world thinking Heskey was crap, Capello picked him because he LOVES the big guy little guy setup?
I didn't say that Carroll WOULD be brilliant, I said he COULD be decent, Ebans-Blake has been in the premiership a lot longer than Carroll and done a LOT less, he scored a lot in the championship and his record in the premiership has been woeful. The fact is Carrolls FORM and remember you brought up form, is scoring well last season, and scoring well so far this season, thats good form, nothing more or less to take from that. Ebans-blake scored very poorly last season and has one maybe this season, please tell me where his fantastic form suggests he should get a chance.
Also please explain how Ebans blake might suit Capello's big man little man setup that he hasn't shut up about for 2 years which pretty much indicates its his prefered system.
I haven't seen the other guys you mentioned play, please show me where I claimed Carroll was the worlds best striker, or where I claimed to be an expert. Maybe if you READ WHAT I SAID, rather than added your own interpretations, I suggested his form might make him worth a punt, and so far since his step up in the premiership he hasn't fallen apart like Ebans-blake, who failed to score a hattrick against any crap teams so far, or like one of the other 50 strikers who can score well in the championship but utterly dissappear in the premiership.
This back and forth mostly started because someone suggested Carrol was worth a shot on form and you said, what form, then when people pointed out his form, you decided it doesn't count for various reasons.
I mean people talk about Rooney's poor form, not scoring at the end of last season, for England or the start of the league, form doesn't stop at the end of the last season and start again on the first day of a new season. His form is that he's been scoring goals, theres nothing more complicated than that involved here and I have no idea why you're decided to try and argue that he's not in form, nothing counts and he's not worth a shot.
He's scored 4, but that doesn't matter as they weren't hard to score goals, yet, others haven't scored even tap ins, so surely that indicates he's still in better form right now?
Cynical me suggests you're simply nitpicking and randomly making up ridiculous arguments because, hmmm, lets see, I posted it.
I do love that you dragged the argument over how good Carroll is to the "you haven't seen two strikers in the championship play, so your opinion is null and void, ha I win".
Defoe's look awful so far, so has Crouch, so has Rooney, Bent's knocking them in, Carroll's knocking them in, the question was why isn't an inform striker, who would also appear to fit Capello's tactical setup for the team(little and large) be completely ignored. Didn't we spend the last two years completely ignoring the form of the player and using guys like Heskey, off form Gerrard, Rooney, Theo, SWP, Barry and got nothing from it?
THen theres the last and most important thing Carroll brings, the vast majority of Euro and World cup winners have had at least one long haired player in the team, Puyol, Ronaldinho, all the Italian sides of the past............
Anyway, the large part of your post was ridiculous, NONE of my post suggested we should play Carroll just because he scored 4 goals this season, and Theo's FORM across more than 2 games, is dreadful, his form last year was dreadful, and in preseason was dreadful, and for 89 minutes of the games he scored in, he was dreadful. Carroll was effective last year, and has been effective for large parts of the game this year aswell.
Yeah, and my comparison was purely to highlight the fact that because a player is considered to be "trouble for defenders" doesn't actually make him any good. How did you not get that?
You don't do sarcasm well, do you? I'm not saying Ebanks-Blake deserves a call-up. I'm asking why you wouldn't consider him for a place based on his performance in the championship and his scoring record after three games this season (two goals).
What's that? Because you believe over a longer period of time in the Premiership he's not shown the goods? Well fancy that, that's EXACTLY what I'm suggesting we wait to see with Carroll.
You say I mis-interpret YOU? And yet could you find me where I ever said Andy Carroll was out of form please?
Are you on a quest to misunderstand everything I say? I see why you write so much bloody nonsense now. Unless you repeat something a hundred times, you obviously don't get it's meaning.
My point is that Andy Carroll's "form" is based upon one hat-trick against a very poor defence, and that I don't believe that, and one good season in the Championship, is enough to deserve a call-up for an Euro qualifying game. How is that so hard to get? I'm going to have to repeat this so you get it, aren't I?
Oh man there's an irony. I'm making up ridiculous arguments? You can't even get the very basics of my point right yet, after posts and posts of your ****. Oh, and for what it's worth, you picked this fight with me, not the other way around. I was responding to bloodline before you did your usual "wade in and attempt to browbeat a poster down by swamping them with tiresome repetitive twaddle" schtick.
Arrrgghh! I swear you don't get anything. My point is that if you use Carroll's Championship form as evidence that he deserves a call-up, it stands to reason that you should think other top championship players deserve a try, right?
My point is that Andy Carroll's "form" is based upon one hat-trick against a very poor defence, and that I don't believe that, and one good season in the Championship, is enough to deserve a call-up for an Euro qualifying game.
My point is that Andy Carroll's "form" is based upon one hat-trick against a very poor defence, and that I don't believe that, and one good season in the Championship, is enough to deserve a call-up for an Euro qualifying game.
