England Thread.

Yeah Yeah stop with the Mexico thingy :p

Bridge used to be a left winger didn't he ?
Cappello doesn't know what his best 11 is, kinda sad state of affairs, he's had more then enough friendly games to mix and match.

He also tends to play 4 4 2 :( I hate that formation ! /erage

Try something different.
 
----------------James----------------
Johnson-----Terry---Ferdinand-----Cole
--------------Hargreaves--------------
-----Lampard-------------Barry--------
-----------Gerrard----Rooney----------
-----------------Owen----------------

Striker, RB and Keeper were tricky but imo that's the best we've got atm. Unfortunately Owen won't even get in the squad again, Johnson can't defend and James is still prone to the odd **** up.
 
----------------James----------
Johnson---Terry---Rio----A.Cole
Lennon---Barry----Lampard----J.Cole
----------------Gerrard-----------------
-----------------Shrek----------------

Thats how I would go about it. Maybe swop Barry for hargreaves when fit but to be honest I prefere barry. Dont have Owen near the squad (yes hes good but made out of glass and waste of a spot). Same goes for Hesky but his problem is he cant score.

Not a fan of beckham, dont think he brings that much to the team. Hes to slow now, when he goes back to help the defence he cant get back up the pitch quick enough for the counter attack.
 
has anyone really watched Villa this year at all. Barry rarely if ever plays DM for them, the defensive side of his game is completely unpracticed and no good anymore. Watch the liverpool game, he was pressing their back 4 more than he was sitting between his own midfield and defense. He hasn't been a DM for a couple of years and in the later stages of this season his game is suffering hugely from it. His attacking play has improved all year as his defensive game has steadily got worse, a starting DM for our national side, not in a million years.

he was ruddy awful against pitiful opposition, he frequently gave the ball away and despite their attacks mostly only having 2-3 people he was rarely covering or winning the ball back from them.

Lennon, SWP aren't anywhere near good enough, people can spend all year saying the same thing over and over, he's "only" got to learn how to cross. Except he's been playing football for over a decade, people don't turn up to a club at 20 and ask to start, he's been training for a decade and has played first team footie for a long time and has shown not one single hint of improvement. A run of 2-3 games where he LOOKED impressive but was his same wasteful self doesn't mean he isn't still completely useless. The only things lacking from his game are, a brain, passing, crossing, ability to read the game and know where to pass/cross and when. if you don't have it by now, you won't have it period. SWP is much the same but has a far far FAR better shot on him. If you insist on one or the other SWP is far more accomplished(but still quite crap).

DOwning is worse than them all, he CAN'T cross, pass, not great at getting past people, has half the pace of SWP/Lennon/Young, has a poor shot and a crap football brain. He does the odd trick then cuts inside shoots and misses. because he's a big fish in a small pond he gets away with 15 shots a game, a crap player will score one of those by fluke eventually, whats his tally this year, 2?

The answer to England getting good, is our youngsters being taught the basic's rather than tricks, being taught how to read the game rather than how to do a specific turn. Also maybe training 1 or 2 of them to be a freaking out and out defensive midfielder. Maybe someone should be suggesting to these kids that we have a massive shortage of real DM's across football let alone just for england, so you've really got more chance playing in a world class team in that position than any other.

JOhnson is also mostly turd, and I assume no ones been watching City lately as Richards has been simply superb at right back since they moved Zabeleta out of defence where he was just so bad he made the whole defence look terrible. He's bigger, stronger, faster, has more skill, more drive, does better wing work and is better defensively than Johnson.
 
I don't see why Rooney being asked to lead the line is all that much a bad thing. It's not like England would really miss out on his ability to link play when we've got two similarly world class players who can play the same position as well (Gerrard and Lampard).
 
Definitely have Young over Downing, he shouldn't play for England imo. Lennon i don't mind, but he can't cross the ball half the time.

Middle should definitely be Gerrard/Carrick, i don't really rate Lampard for England tbh.
 
First XI:

GK??

Richards Ferdinand Terry(C) Cole

Gerrard

Beckham Lampard Barry J.Cole

Rooney



Second XI:

GK??

Young King Upson Bridge

Lennon Carrick Hargreaves Young

Crouch Agbonlahor


As far as I'm concerned, right now we don't have any keepers good enough. James can do a job but is still prone to calamities, Foster might grow into it, Weaver is nowhere, Hart is nowhere, Kirkland is nowhere, Carson is nowhere, Robinson is nowhere...

[edit]Oh, and Downing has never deserved an England place. He's not good enough.
 
I still don't understand why in a million years Barry gets in front of Hargreaves in most of your picks. When he is fit there is nobody in the country that is a better DM than him.
 
I don't see why we are playing old players, they're not going to get into the next World Cup in my opinion

If you're good enough, you're young enough IMO. The next World Cup is less than 15 months away. Plus, as we've seen first hand recently, planning for a tournament is meaningless if you don't actually qualify for it.

Look at the most successful international teams in recent years (Spain, Italy, France, Germany, Brazil etc). All of them had players in their 30s.

I think the problem is that sometimes if you stick with older players you get accused of picking players based on their reputations. But it's not as if we have a huge wave of world class youngsters in some positions being denied their chance. Are there really that many great young central midfielders proving week-in, week-out in the Premiership that they're better players than Frank Lampard? Most of those that have being doing the business have been in the squad anyway.
 
Foster
Richards - Ferdinand - Terry - A.Cole
Beckham - Hargreaves - Carrick - Young
Gerrard - Rooney

Foster surely has to be number one by then, even if he only plays a handful of games for United, anything is better than holding your breath everytime James goes near the ball.

Never rated Johnson and Richards is more of a threat from set pieces.

No point having Lampard in there. There's only one person who can have the ball at any one time, and i'd much rather have Carrick in there to pass the ball to Rooney/Gerrard than Lampard. He's a good option to have from the bench when things aren't working though. Hargreaves' energy will counter Beckhams lack of, allowing him to concentrate on creating goals. Beckham and Young on either wing should create loads of chances, compared to Joe Cole trying (and failing) to do it all himself half the time.

I think Gerrard/Rooney is the only option up top. Every other striker we have are decidedly average and those two are our only hope at winning the world cup, for me anyway.
 
Carrick is rubbish for England and not worth a starting spot, and will Hargreaves ever be fit?

Gerrard isn't good enough up front.
 
In that position we simply need someone who will get the ball and give it to one of Beckham/Young/Gerrard/Rooney. Lampard is at his best going forward and in this team he's not going to be able to do that.

I disagree on Gerrard. I think Benitez may have found his best position now. If he plays in the same way as he does for Liverpool he'll be just fine with Rooney. I used to be a staunch believer that Lampard should be the AM and Gerrard should sit, but my views have firmly changed recently. Gerrard and Rooney are our only game winners so it makes sense have those two as high up the pitch as possible.
 
That's been a problem for a long, long time.

Totally agree with that, he seems a different player when he has the Liverpool shirt on, if someone could get him to perform on the international scene the way he does for Liverpool in the champions league then we might just be in with a shout of the trophy.

I'm still abit puzzled by the number of people picking Rooney upfront on his own with Gerard behind, sure this works for Liverpool but Rooney and Torres are hardly similar sorts of players. I really think that to shackle one of our best players in rooney would be a serious mistake, he's at his best when he's given license to do his own thing and at his worst when he's tied to a role especially one he is not suited too. Personaly I'd rather see him and Walcott up front than Rooney on his own, it is afterall the position Theo will land up playing eventually.

PS. Bridge did play left wing for Southamptons youth team before converting to left back under Glenn Hodle but Kevin Philips also played right back for our youth team.
 
I dont get this fascination with playing Gerrard upfront, he doesnt play upfront for liverpool, he plays at the middle of an attacking 4, with 2 holding.

United play an attacking 4, liverpool play an attacking 4, Chelsea play an atacking 4, England play a flat back four, flat midfield 4, and a flat front 2, its like watching table football.
You can play all the England players in their club positions, no bother, the managers just........... wont.

GK- whoever, it doesnt matter, they are all rubbish.

RB- Has to be brown when he is fit.
CB Ferdinand.
CB- Terry, there isnt anyone else.
LB- Cole

CM- Carrick/Barry
CM- Hargreaves/Barry
CM Gerrard/lampard/Carrick

RWF- Rooney/SWP/Young/Cole/Walcott.
LWF- Rooney/SWP/Young/Cole/Walcott/Barry.
CMF- Heskey/Crouch/Owen/Defoe/Rooney/Bent/Davis..............Anyone.
 
Liverpool line up against villa:
Liverpool: Reina, Arbeloa Carragher, Skrtel, Aurelio, Mascherano, Alonso (Lucas 66), Gerrard Kuyt, Riera, Torres.

Looks like pretty basic 4-4-1-1 to me? really not seeing an attacking 4 in that one.

Man Utd Line up against Fulham:
Man Utd: Van der Sar, O'Shea Evans, Ferdinand, Evra, Ronaldo, Fletcher, Scholes, Park, Giggs, Berbatov

Looks like pretty basic 4-4-1-1 to me? really not seeing an attacking 4 in that one.

Chelsea Line up against Tottenham:
Chelsea: Cech, Bosingwa, Alex, Terry, Ashley Cole, Essien Ballack, Lampard, Belletti, Drogba, Anelka.

Show me a more basic 4-4-2?
 
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