Enjoyment.

Dimple said:
If Mark Kermode says that something is brilliant then it must be so because he is an 'expert' but it doesn't mean I will enjoy it even though I should because he is an 'expert'.
If Mark Kermode on the other hand says something is bad because he is an 'expert' then it doesn't mean I shouldn't enjoy it because it might be the best film I've ever seen because my brain told me to like it but really I shouldn't like it because Mark Kermode says.
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OR, You can mention a reviewers review of a film you agree with as a reason why you think it's terrible. (The phrase couldn't have said it better myself)

Or you can question someones education and knowledge of a subject because you don't agree with them (which you did).

Kermode, like many other film critics are educated and very knowledgeable in their given field, films. Many experts and reviewers are.
 
kaffe said:
(Saying this I have developed a taste for Maccy D's as of late... everything is too small though, I had to buy two Big Mac meals just to feel full.)
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I believe this sentence could be uttered by nearly any female and become instantly the most attractive female in the room.

(iv got burger king voucher too)
 
Freakbro said:
I was reading the thread in movies.

I agree with Tummy *shrug*
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Really, and remember to ignore OP as that wasn't anything to do with discussion.
Also remember I said you could rate films analytically, I just didn't agree that is was A) the majority rated that way, B) I disagreed it was useful.
And I certainly wasn't arrogant enough to tell people what they should think of a film or how to rate a film.

The discussion was two things. tummy saying you should only rate films analytically, which I disagree with. As I rate films by enjoyment.

Secondly that most people rate film analytically which not only do I disagree with I think it's pointless in review threads and review sites.

Now if most people rate films analytically, how on eart does transformers dark side of the moon get 6.4? It's a terriable film from the analytical point of view. So that covers what the majority do.

Why is it pointless in review threads. Well if I was rating a film analytically I would have to rate films I realy enjoyed down at say 3/10, where in fact I've enjoyed so the way I rate it would be say 7/10. Now in a review thread, which is more meaningfull? Are people going to go and want to watch a 3/10 film and miss the enjoyment, or is the 7/10 reflects the enjoyment and you can tell (most of the time people say tell you it's pickles anyway) that from an analytical side it's not a great film.
 
Dimple said:
Can somebody explain what analytically means when reviewing a film?
(I think I know what is meant but that would be stupid)
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That it's based on anything but enjoyment, basically is it a good story, was the message delivered, acting skills and so on.

http://www2.athabascau.ca/services/write-site/film-review.php

It's what students do and despite what he thinks I can review in such a way, I choose not to. As I'm not doing English literature, an art/film degree and the forums/imdb isn't an awards ceremony where such ratings would be relevant.
 
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Right then - Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

1. Theme – 10/10
Spectacle –
1. Art Direction – 10/10
2. Cinematography – 10/10
3. Soundtrack – 10/10
4. Editing – 10/10
5. Acting – 10/10
3. Plot – 10/10
4. Character – 10/10
5. Tone – 10/10

In enjoyment terms this was the biggest load of cack I've seen.
 
Glaucus said:
Really, and remember to ignore OP as that wasn't anything to do with discussion.
Also remember I said you could rate films analytically, I just didn't agree that is was A) the majority rated that way, B) I disagreed it was useful.
And I certainly wasn't arrogant enough to tell people what they should think of a film or how to rate a film.

The discussion was two things. tummy saying you should only rate films analytically, which I disagree with. As I rate films by enjoyment.

Secondly that most people rate film analytically which not only do I disagree with I think it's pointless in review threads and review sites.

Now if most people rate films analytically, how on eart does transformers dark side of the moon get 6.4? It's a terriable film from the analytical point of view. So that covers what the majority do.

Why is it pointless in review threads. Well if I was rating a film analytically I would have to rate films I realy enjoyed down at say 3/10, where in fact I've enjoyed so the way I rate it would be say 7/10. Now in a review thread, which is more meaningfull? Are people going to go and want to watch a 3/10 film and miss the enjoyment, or is the 7/10 reflects the enjoyment and you can tell (most of the time people say tell you it's pickles anyway) that from an analytical side it's not a great film.
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Why does it have to be an absolute choice? Can you not rate a film based on both enjoyment and quality? It doesn't make for a pure mark of either necessarily but provided you state your assumptions/reasons then that should allow the readers of the review to make up their own mind by adjusting the weighting to suit themselves.

Some films can be brilliantly directed/produced/acted/scored/whatever and they're worth watching as an example of that particular facet but they may not be enjoyable in the sense that you'd ever want to watch them again - some of the best films may not be ones that you enjoyed terribly in that they were uncomfortable to watch but they had an important message in them.

Enjoyment is more subjective than analysis of quality tends to be. In the same way that I find watching any of Ricky Gervais' comedy an exercise in warding off boredom and/or wincing at how cringeworthy it is I know that others find it to be the funniest thing they've ever seen - that's subjective. To tell you that it's got pretty high production values irrespective of my thoughts on it is fairly objective and that would be why having an element of analytical commentary is beneficial.

I also wouldn't be too quick to assume that even if we allow most people do review films analytically (I'm not convinced but for the sake of argument we'll go with it) that the number of people who don't review films analytically don't include in their number those who rate Transformers highly i.e. it may simply be a statistical anomaly due to those who rate on enjoyment also being the ones who rate that particular film or type of films.
 
semi-pro waster said:
Why does it have to be an absolute choice? Can you not rate a film based on both enjoyment and quality? It doesn't make for a pure mark of either necessarily but provided you state your assumptions/reasons then that should allow the readers of the review to make up their own mind by adjusting the weighting to suit themselves.

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It doesn't have to be, I wasnt the one saying it has to be done in a certain way. I was saying that most people rate due to enjoyment and I think imdb scores back me up on this.

Tummy on the other hand says me and others shouldn't be rating on enjoyment and that its wrong to do so.
 
Dude, Where's My Car? is my favorite film of all time, but I don't think it scores very well in reviews.

So personal enjoyment is the only possible way to rate films.
 
Obviously people find enjoyment in different things. If everyone thought the same way and liked the same things the world would be boring. Sometimes people can feign enjoyment or say they like things when they don't to 'fit in', like when a movie wins critic acclaim or an Oscar people tend to skew their opinions towards it.

Bit like the amount of people on here that claim Scarface is an all time classic film. It's okay, the soundtrack was in GTA (which most people here played before seeing the film) so your reaction is part hype, part expectation and part because the film is good.
 
Rocky IV is one of my favourite films, but there is no way I could give it a higher score than 4-5, it is awful!.

If I was to rate movies, I would rate it on how 'good' I thought it was but give it a kind of sub-rating based on enjoyment.
 
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