Entitlement by proximity (Development in London with fancy swimming pool bridge).

[Efour]

Id be livid if i spent all that money on a "flamboyant" flat with gym, flying pool and cinema access and then it was over run by commoners from the underhive.

However it could be applied as some kind of yearly subscription to all residents of the building.... I doubt many riff raff working class oik scum filth could afford that.

Poor people are just terrible people. 50 poor are worth 1 good educated wealthy young Russian oligarchs son living in London.

The only good thing about poor people is they are desperate and that can be used to clean all the toilets and make all the double mochaccino lattes.

I feel dirty just typing about them.

 

[FoxEye]

The developer has severed their ties regardless, I'm not sure what you mean there. Again the social housing is managed by a social housing company, the private housing is managed by a separate management company (this is a fairly standard set up).



We're not talking about general taxation though, we're talking about specific private individuals. Also who is to say that later on one of the residents in say a shared ownership flat or formerly shared ownership flat that has been sold on isn't wealthy?

Are you not able to answer the questions?

Does paying for cleaning for the poor flats apply in the case where there are different blocks too?

Or how about where the posh development is on one site and the private flats on another - would be a bit weird if you buy a flat and then discover that part of your management fee is being used to pay for some cleaners in another block of flats 2 km away that the original developer happened to build as a planning requirement?

Also, just out of principle, why should the private buyers or indeed buyers later down the line be on the hook for these cleaning fees?

Likewise, supposing one of the shared ownership people eventually pays off all the equity then sells his flat privately - a new tenant moves in who is simply a private tenant now - why do they get subsidized by other private tenants at a different block?

I have no objection to people with the means subsidising essential services for people without the means.

"Why" is a rather open-ended and philosophical question. But essentially I think we should treat everyone with a certain degree of respect, and accommodation of a fit and proper standard for living is a key part of this (inc related services).

@Dis86 I specifically said earlier that I don't believe people are entitled to luxuries they haven't paid for. I believe that previous answer covers your question about luxury cars

I do believe that *all* people in this country are/should be entitled to leave in decent, clean, well-maintained accommodation*. And if some % of that has to be subsidised by the wealthy, I have no objection to any mechanism which brings that about. (*And naturally should treat their own accommodation with respect and not trash it.)

 

[d_brennen]

Id be livid if i spent all that money on a "flamboyant" flat with gym, flying pool and cinema access and then it was over run by commoners from the underhive.

However it could be applied as some kind of yearly subscription to all residents of the building.... I doubt many riff raff working class oik scum filth could afford that.

Poor people are just terrible people. 50 poor are worth 1 good educated wealthy young Russian oligarchs son living in London.

The only good thing about poor people is they are desperate and that can be used to clean all the toilets and make all the double mochaccino lattes.

I feel dirty just typing about them.

Local poor won't clean toilets, that's beneath them!

 

[dowie]

I have no objection to people with the means subsidising essential services for people without the means.

But that isn't necessarily the case here, re-read the questions in the previous post and the one beforehand. It isn't much good just giving some vague general principle when it doesn't necessarily apply.

Are you not able to answer or something?

 

[FoxEye]

But that isn't necessarily the case here, re-read the questions in the previous post and the one beforehand.

Are you not able to answer or something?

"Are you not able to give me the answer I want/ I agree with?"

I've answered the questions, clearly not to your satisfaction, but to mine I wish to add nothing further.

 

[dowie]

"Are you not able to give me the answer I want/ I agree with?"

I've answered the questions, clearly not to your satisfaction, but to mine I wish to add nothing further.

No, you haven't, it isn't about me agreeing or disagreeing with the answers - I put forth some specific questions and you simply didn't answer them.

Some of the premises you've thrown out there are flawed too - for example, why can't someone in who can afford a 500k shared ownership flat pay for the basic costs of cleaning the communal areas, their share of the buildings insurance etc.. themselves?

Not everyone in the social housing part is poor - likewise, flats get sold on etc..

You didn't answer whether you'd change your view based on whether we're talking about the same building or different blocks on the same development or the social housing block being located 2km away.

 

[FoxEye]

No, you haven't, it isn't about me agreeing or disagreeing with the answers - I put forth some specific questions and you simply didn't answer them.

 

[dowie]

OK, I'll take that as you can't answer...

I would genuinely be interested in any answers from people who are capable of discussing this subject - so far there have been two posters vaguely objecting but also dodging the specific questions...

Anyone else fancy giving their views on this?

 

[FoxEye]

OK, I'll take that as you can't answer...

I would genuinely be interested in any answers from people who are capable of discussing this subject - so far there have been two posters vaguely objecting but also dodging the specific questions...

Anyone else fancy giving their views on this?

Do you ever wonder why more people don't engage with you? You have extreme difficulty accepting in good grace anything anyone says that you don't agree with.

I'm sure after our exchange people will be queueing up to hear you pour scorn over their opinions. I mean, who could resist? Especially when you're so nice about it, and not at all condescending in 99% of your replies to ... everyone.

 

[dowie]

Do you ever wonder why more people don't engage with you? You have extreme difficulty accepting in good grace anything anyone says that you don't agree with.

I'm sure after our exchange people will be queueing up to hear you pour scorn over their opinions. I mean, who could resist?

I think you're reading too much into it tbh... I know tone is subjective on the internet but I'm interested in people's views here, if you don't want to engage with the questions then that's fine, just replying to a post with a smiley face isn't adding anything here - I've tried to prompt people who have given vague, general answers.

The thread wasn't just asking what are your vague views on this, there were some specifics too to try and challenge people to think a bit about this stuff, is proximity important etc.. and some follow-up questions when people introduced things.

 

[Dolph]

Not paying the service charge in full, no right to use the facilities.

It isn't legal to charge different service charges but offer the same services, costs have to be split fairly.

 

[FoxEye]

I think you're reading too much into it tbh... I know tone is subjective on the internet but I'm interested in people's views here, if you don't want to engage with the questions then that's fine, just replying to a post with a smiley face isn't adding anything here - I've tried to prompt people who have given vague, general answers.

The thread wasn't just asking what are your vague views on this, there were some specifics too to try and challenge people to think a bit about this stuff.

People did think about it, but that's not actually what you mean, is it?

"Challenge people" in your mind means, "They should come round to my way of thinking, because my logic is infallible."

Hence whenever somebody disagrees with you you are genuinely surprised/shocked/challenged by their lack of conformity to your ideas.

 

[dowie]

People did think about it, but that's not actually what you mean, is it?

"Challenge people" in your mind means, "They should come round to my way of thinking, because my logic is infallible."

Hence whenever somebody disagrees with you you are genuinely surprised/shocked/challenged by their lack of conformity to your ideas.

Nope, again there is no requirement to agree with me here. You're now just throwing in some projection of your own, I've simply asked if you could answer the questions, if you don't want to address the specifics or give any thought to objections then that's up to you, it's not an invitation for you to just start moaning about me personally. If you don't want to engage then don't, the thread is here for discussion - there is no need for you to start trolling by replying to a post with a smiley face or to just moan about me personally - go read some other threads if you're not interested in having a discussion in this one.

 

[builder22]

'you get what you pay for' was my first thought...although going by the replies it seems a bit more complicated

 

[hyperseven]

 

[FoxEye]

Nope, again there is no requirement to agree with me here. You're now just throwing in some projection of your own, I've simply asked if you could answer the questions, if you don't want to address the specifics or give any thought to objections then that's up to you, it's not an invitation for you to just start moaning about me personally. If you don't want to engage then don't, the thread is here for discussion - there is no need for you to start trolling by replying to a post with a smiley face or to just moan about me personally - go read some other threads if you're not interested in having a discussion in this one.

I did answer the questions. You just didn't like the answers.

 

[dowie]

I did answer the questions. You just didn't like the answers.

No, you didn't, you've given some vague opinions but there were some quite specific questions for example see:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/34837719/

And again this isn't about whether I like your views, if you don't want to engage then that's fine.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

You're wrong. It's incredibly expensive to maintain a pool.

Just LOL if you don't look forward to autumn so you can turn the pool pump down to 60% and turn the heating off completely and if the kids still want to go in then good luck to them but I'm not taking you to hospital when you get frost bite, just so we're clear, and yes I will use the electricity savings to buy a new graphics card and e-bike.

Pools are not cheap to maintain but the upkeep is less eye-watering than the installation costs.

Noobs.

 

[Dis86]

Just LOL if you don't look forward to autumn so you can turn the pool pump down to 60% and turn the heating off completely and if the kids still want to go in then good luck to them but I'm not taking you to hospital when you get frost bite, just so we're clear, and yes I will use the electricity savings to buy a new graphics card and e-bike.

Pools are not cheap to maintain but the upkeep is less eye-watering than the installation costs.

Noobs.

For a small private pool it's less eye-watering. Commercial pools have higher legal/regulatory standards and maintenance requirements. They're very expensive!

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

I don't doubt it, just humble bragging for shiggles

e: out of interest, what kind of costs are we talking about here, noting that you certainly were not involved in the design/construction/installation/any other related matters to the swimming pool pictured in the OP, any resemblances are coincidental etc etc etc. Give us some numbers!