Epic launch fail by ATI?

Born_2_Kill_83 · 2 Oct 2009 at 14:28

Sits back and enjoys......

LoadsaMoney · 2 Oct 2009 at 14:35

Epic fail, just lol, 5870's are in stock, and the 5850's are due out now, and so are shipping out to etailors, wheres the fail. :confused:

antran · 2 Oct 2009 at 14:35

nutter said:
Now i realise they gave those overpriced chumps(Dell) the majority of the first stock they had of the new cards.

Over a week later, not a single 5850 can be found, & the 5870's are popping up in little numbers.

Most sites don't even have them listed still.

ATI get the chance to steal a march on the overpriced Nvidia, and what do they do?

Fail......

Pretty annoying, im about a week away from getting a new rig, and the little sign of the 5850's is worrying & as i say very annoying.

Does any company ever prepare for these launches right

Hmmm......ATI is a business, they will sell their stock to who ever offer them the most money. Wouldn't you want to make your money/profit back as soon as possible? I would.

LeJosh · 2 Oct 2009 at 14:57

It's about time we can teleport products to vendors... I think ATi are being incredibly stupid not teleporting the shipments everywhere. Boats and trucks just aren't quick enough!

/leaves the idiocy.

Orangey · 2 Oct 2009 at 15:34

LeJosh said:
It's about time we can teleport products to vendors... I think ATi are being incredibly stupid not teleporting the shipments everywhere. Boats and trucks just aren't quick enough!

Science fanboy, Jesus left those fossil fuels lying around so we should use them in worship of our Lord and Saviour.

Martini1991 · 2 Oct 2009 at 15:36

Epic failure man... Epic failure... Curse you ATI for having demand

craig3000 · 2 Oct 2009 at 15:59

Meh I though it was just normal

drunkenmaster · 2 Oct 2009 at 16:01

Martini1991 said:
Epic failure man... Epic failure... Curse you ATI for having demand

I really really don't understand where/how people think cards are made, by fairies in batches of millions at a time satisfying all demand instantly?

They are made on waifers, with a perfect yield they'd get(apparently) 149 cores, the yields suck( not at all ATi's fault) which means they might be getting as little as 40-50cores a waifer(which costs 5k to make, no matter how many cores come off it). The waifers take time to get made, processed and get back.

Even if you could push through 10,000 waifers a day, thats only 40k cores a DAY for worldwide supply, I really really wish I knew how many waifers TSMC can make a day, its not 10k for sure, at a guess, a few hundred waifers, meaning only a few thousand cores coming out the factory a day.

Considering for another day since launch, I could buy a 5870 from I count at least 3 places, with more than 100 in stock, if people REALLY wanted them they could have them. People are vastly overestimating how many people really buy the top end cards.

wiak · 2 Oct 2009 at 16:34

AMD changed the shipping schedule, so they ship on CPU schedule, they sendt out new batches every week not every 14 days
btw many cards have been in stock, just that its at high demand, wait a week and see

Martini1991 · 2 Oct 2009 at 16:36

drunkenmaster said:
I really really don't understand where/how people think cards are made, by fairies in batches of millions at a time satisfying all demand instantly?

They are made on waifers, with a perfect yield they'd get(apparently) 149 cores, the yields suck( not at all ATi's fault) which means they might be getting as little as 40-50cores a waifer(which costs 5k to make, no matter how many cores come off it). The waifers take time to get made, processed and get back.

Even if you could push through 10,000 waifers a day, thats only 40k cores a DAY for worldwide supply, I really really wish I knew how many waifers TSMC can make a day, its not 10k for sure, at a guess, a few hundred waifers, meaning only a few thousand cores coming out the factory a day.

Considering for another day since launch, I could buy a 5870 from I count at least 3 places, with more than 100 in stock, if people REALLY wanted them they could have them. People are vastly overestimating how many people really buy the top end cards.

You realise I was being sarcastic?.. I'm a 5870 owner too :rolleyes:

=VTA=MANFACE · 2 Oct 2009 at 16:42

Epic fail, where ?...oh you mean that model of the GT300,which will be out next year ? yes, I agree, EPIC FAIL.

Cd0gz · 2 Oct 2009 at 16:53

As they say good things come to those who wait.

I got my 5870 without much bother by next week the 5050 should be readily available.

LeJosh · 2 Oct 2009 at 20:33

Orangey said:
Science fanboy, Jesus left those fossil fuels lying around so we should use them in worship of our Lord and Saviour.

Well I do prefer science over religion. I agree with your Science Fanboy statement. I quite like it actually...

AMG · 2 Oct 2009 at 21:06

I prefer Science too

as for OP being a fanboi, no however slating ATI was over the top...AMD struck off deals with seval deals with companies like dell the only one I know off so far, Don't forget there is a thing called travailing, trains, lorries are not very fast hell even taking the airoplane has draw backs too like when it lands it got to go via rails or road to its final destination. you forget to inculde this in your reasoning

you would be classed as a fanboi if you slated ATI over a bad lunch after Nvida had a pretty poor one

drunkenmaster · 2 Oct 2009 at 21:22

LOL, Epic fail launch for ATi.

It would appear Nvidia's "launch" this week included, completely fake products that weren't real parts at all, now that truly is epic fail

As far as I know there were around 50k cards for launch for AMD, around 40k went to Dell(or dell and other oem's) and 10k went to the channel, I would be surprised if TSMC were churning out more than 10k more a week, but you'd be surprised how much of the demand that will fill up. As you can see there are dozens in stock and people aren't "that" desparate for one, because most people just don't buy a £300 card. Even the massive majority on this forum have 4870/260gtx's over 4870x2/285/295's.

It does seem strange that supposedly these cards are being made also in a 4:1 ratio in 5870's to 5850's. With the yields being so so bad, you'd figure there would be a lot of salvaged 5850's going, maybe even more than 5870's.

tdream · 2 Oct 2009 at 21:52

nutter said:
Did someone just call me a fanboy.. jesus this place at times

Yes, im a Nvidia fanboy, thats why im buying the ATI 5850

Can anyone start a topic on this forum, without some clown bringing the fanboy crap up?

Absolutely it's retarded logic that just intended to flame.

D13 · 2 Oct 2009 at 21:55

tdream said:
Absolutely it's retarded logic that just intended to flame.

yes, you have to appreciate that this the overclockers.co.uk graphics card forum, where if you are not some kind of rabid ati nuthugger that thinks nvidia is goign to eat your soul, then you must be a 'fanboi'.....
you just have to ignore it

tdream · 2 Oct 2009 at 21:57

drunkenmaster said:
Well done fan boy,

end user sales in the uk, maybe, maybe 50k over the life of the 5870, Dell, will sell a million or more in their computers over the life of the card, you think they should make sure their smallest customers get stock first, or their biggest?

As for stock, the 5850 only just launched yesterday, shocking it wasn't in stock, as for the 5870, I can see some in stock right now at several stores, hundreds infact, and there hasn't been a day since launch that I haven't seen at least one store with some in stock.

People really can be dumb, you build things, you sell them, no one builds every last card they'll ever sell, get them all ready, then launch the product, no company has EVER done that and no company ever will do that.

THe plant makes them, they go to various places, they get sold as they are made, this, is life, and hasn't changed for 20 years in any industry in the world.

Go be a Nvidia fanboy elsewhere, its not interesting, funny or even, you know, accurate.

lol, most sites don't have them listed? There isn't a single large computer components selling store in the UK not listing them, even most of the smaller ones have them listed and some in stock.

Over reacting much? Fact is they are not in great supply and are only trickling out in drips and drabs. As an end user who gives a damn what they do with big contracts and the end of the day, the end user OP included, it's not our prerogative to wonder how the bottom line will turn out for them, rather how we can get our hands on one. In that respect the launch wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

LeJosh · 2 Oct 2009 at 22:01

No it's selective supplying. If they get more money from companies they'll get the stock out to the general public later. Business is business after all.

DIABLO · 2 Oct 2009 at 22:50

It's not really fail though is it there still is no competition for the 5800 series so a few weeks ain't really gonna hurt ATi andf anyway selling to the OEM's is where the big money is, retail box is small fry in comparison.