Eunuchs

A series of things went through my head as I watched...

Tribal body modifications are an aincient practice...

The 20 year old also suffered anorexia...

Are they doing it to have a control over their bodies that they deny themselves over their mind/emotions...

Are their psyches so scarred that they believe body mods create a balance to this...

http://webpages.charter.net/sn9/philosophy/aristophanes.html

'First of all, you must learn about human nature, and what has happened to it. Long ago, our nature was not the as it is now but quite different. For one thing, there were three human genders, not just the present two, male and female. There was also a third one, a combination of these two; now its name survives, although the gender has vanished. Then "androgynous" was a distinct gender as well as a name, combining male and female; now nothing is left but the name, whih is used as an insult.

'For another thing, the shape of each human being was a rounded whole, with back and sides forming a circle. Each one had four hands andthe same number of legs, and two identical faces on a circular neck. They had one head for both of the faces, which were turned in opposite directions, four ears, two sets of genitals, and everything else was as you would imagine from what I've said s far. They moved around upright as we do now, in either direction, as they wanted. When they set off to run fast, they supported themselves on all their eight limbs, and move quickly round and round, lik tumbers who do cartwheels by keeping their legs straight as they go round and round.

'The reason why there was three genders, and why there were as described, is that the parent of the male gender was originally the sun, that of the female gender the earth, that of the combined gender the moon, because the moon is a combination of sun and earth. They were round, and so was the way they moved, because they took after their parents. They were terrible in their strength and vigour; they had great ambitions and made an attack on the gods. The story told by Homer and Ephialtes and Ottus, how they tried to climb up to heaven to attack the gods, really refers to them. Zeus and the other gods discussed what to do to them and couldn't decide. The gods didn't see how they could kill them, wiping out the human race with thunderbolts as they did they'd done with the giants; if they did that, the honours nad sacrifices the gods received from them would disappear. But they couldn't let them go on behaving outrageously. After much hard thought, Zeus had an idea: "I think I have a plan by which human beings can still exist but be too weakto carry on their wild behaviour. I shall not each of them into two; they will be weaker and also more useful to us because there will be more of them. They will walk around upright on two legs. If we think they're still acting outrageously, and they won't settle down, I'll cut them inhalf again so that they move around hopping on one leg.

'After saying this, Zeus cut humans into two, as people cut sorb-apples in half before they preserve them or as they cut hard-boiled eggs with hairs. A he cut each one, he told Apollo to turn the face aand the half-neck attached to it towards the gash, so that humans woudl see their own wound and be more orderly; Zeus also told him to heal the other wounds. Apollo turned round the face; he pulled the skin from all around the body towards what's now called the stomach (likea purse being pulled tight with a draw-string), and finished it off by making one opening in the middle of the stomach, which we call the navel. He also smoothed off the other numerous wrinkles, and shaped the chest with the kind of tool used by shoemakers when they smooth the wrinkles of leather on the last. But he left a few on the stomach round the navel, to remind them of what happened to them long ago.

'Since their original nature had been cut in two, each one longed for its own other half and stayed with it. They threw their arms round each othr, weaving themselves together, wanting to form a round living thing. So they died from hunger and from general inactivity, because they didn't want to do anything apart from each other. Whenever one of the halves died and one was left, the one that was left looked for anotherand wove itself together with that. Sometimes the one it met was half a whole woman (th half we now call a "woman"), sometimes half a whole man. In any csae, they kept on dying this way.

'Zeus took pity on them and came up with another plan: he moved their genitals round to the front; until then, they had genitals on the back of their bodies, and sexual reproduction occurred not with each other but on the earth, as in the case of cicadas. So Zeus moved the genitals round to the front and in this way made them reproduce in each other, by means of the male acting inside the female. The aim of this was that, if a man met with a woman and wntwined himself with her, they wouldreproduce and then human race would be continued. Also, if two males came together, they would at least have the satisfaction of sexual intercourse, and then relax, turn to their work, and think about the other things in their life.

Makes me wonder whether gender identity crisis rises from a perceived inability to claim our other half...
 
Indeed a very interesting programme, though ladyfriend and I had to cringe at the graphic scenes and we were both particularly put off by that Christian fellas need to show us his lower regions.

Interesting also to see how it affected me more when the other guy spoke of crushing himself. She was visibly shocked at my reaction :D Mine are staying, that's for sure ;)
 
I didn't watch this, but I can only assume these guys are dealing with Body Dismorphic Disorder, which isn't really that hard to understand. I mean of course it is on the surface, but when you think about it, these people, in their mind, are missing them... so they'll never feel 'right' until they're gone.

Also, testosterone patches and so on mean their sex lives, sexuality, and so on will never suffer, although their virility obviously will. A lot of these guys actually find their sex lives better after they're de-nadgered.

If this was all mentioned in the program, ho hum. I didn't see it, but still wanted to chuck in my opinion.
 
Mohinder said:
I didn't watch this, but I can only assume these guys are dealing with Body Dismorphic Disorder, which isn't really that hard to understand. I mean of course it is on the surface, but when you think about it, these people, in their mind, are missing them... so they'll never feel 'right' until they're gone.
One guy who had had it done 5 years ago had attempted suicide during the time after and seemed generally quite depressed. The 20 year old who had it done apparently suffered deep depression afterwards, was talking about how after the fact and reflecting on it he's going to miss the chance at intimacy he feels he could have had having kept them and is now having testosterone injections.
I'm sure CBS has mentioned it before but people can be driven to do things that aren't in their best interests and will, in fact, harm them.

Your point that a lot of it is mental was quite well shown with one guy who had tried to do it by crushing his nads, at the time he thought he had been successful he was talking about how he no longer had a sex drive and he was happier than he'd ever been. At the end of the show you see him having a phone conversation with his doctor and getting the results of a testosterone level test, when he finds out that his level is only at the lower end of normal as opposed to as low as a eunuch you can see the anguish in him and he talks about pursuing other methods. The madness being he was genuinely happy in his ignorance, and surely his personal happiness was the ultimate goal of all this.

Mohinder said:
Also, testosterone patches and so on mean their sex lives, sexuality, and so on will never suffer, although their virility obviously will. A lot of these guys actually find their sex lives better after they're de-nadgered.

If this was all mentioned in the program, ho hum. I didn't see it, but still wanted to chuck in my opinion.
The priest and his partner certainly seemed to enjoy an active sex life, but I don't see any inherent benefit or reason why your sex life should improve by replacing one source of testosterone with another.
 
I turned the TV off when the self-made eunuch was enthusiastically showing the implement and pictures of his scarred sack to his sister.
 
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