Euro PS3 Backwards compatibility in doubt

nintenjo · 24 Feb 2007 at 14:10

Id like to think if i got a PS3 i would be able to get god of War 2 and SOTC for it.. if these arnt supported would be a major bummer.. although not getting a PS3 anyway

Energize · 24 Feb 2007 at 15:08

Even a 2 year old could make better decisions than sony, they have shot themselves in the foot again. :rolleyes:

Gerard · 24 Feb 2007 at 16:11

Energize said:
Even a 2 year old could make better decisions than sony, they have shot themselves in the foot again.

Im awaiting that Phil Harrison comment that european\uk users enjoy being Keep it clean....again. Id love to meet that guy just to ask does he believe half the **** that flows from his mouth constantly.

kumar101 · 24 Feb 2007 at 22:58

Someone on Eurogamer made this this comment:

I would like Sony to rename the console to Eurostation 3 as it clearly is not a proper Playstation 3

LOL

Kreeeee · 24 Feb 2007 at 23:06

McManicMan said:
must admit its funny seeing peoples response on this matter who are now saying it don't matter, yet most of these same people slagged of the Xbox360 for not being able to do 100% backwards compatability and how important it was and should be easy and achieveable in all new consoles, but now the PS3 has issue's with it after Sony said thats their machine is 100% compatible and then they now say PS2 games will be a problem and suddenly all is fine in the land of PS3 lovers?

BTW thats from other forums response to this matter also

Same with the Weight "issue" with the XBox1.

wannabedamned · 25 Feb 2007 at 10:47

It says in that article that they are going to release updates to get more games running at a later date. So maybe not all games will work in the beginning, But surely stating that means that down the line it's possible all games could be compatible.

Would you rather the console was delayed until after the backwards compatibility was sorted?

Bonjour · 25 Feb 2007 at 11:00

wannabedamned said:
It says in that article that they are going to release updates to get more games running at a later date. So maybe not all games will work in the beginning, But surely stating that means that down the line it's possible all games could be compatible.
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Possible, but highly unlikely. Especially considering Sony's past 'spin' and Microsoft's inability to provide 100% backwards compatibility despite their programming forte.

Combat squirrel · 25 Feb 2007 at 13:18

So below the belt, what ARE sony playing at, removing the hardware backwards compatibility in the console to save $27 per console apparently.....

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37833

Inq article outlines what there playing at, screwing over euro cust for short term gain but long term loss, so add to the (long) list of ps3 issues..... problematic software issues due to different hardware specs, the WHOLE POINT of consoles is to have the same hardware.......nice 1 sony :rolleyes:

*hugs 360*

msmalls74 · 25 Feb 2007 at 13:39

Found this on the ign site, http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/711/711242p1.html
if you read part the way down it reads :-

Of course, including the extra hardware drives up costs. The magazine adds that Sony plans on removing the PS2 chipset from future revisions of the PS3 hardware once it has finished development of a proper software-based PS2 emulator. Such a removal would help bring down costs for the system.

This was from an article from june 2006 so i guess they've always wanted to do this, I just didnt think it would happen about 4 months after release!

Energize · 25 Feb 2007 at 16:15

I'm definatley importing one now. If I wanted software emulation I'd use my pc to play ps2 games.

Chris [BEANS] · 26 Feb 2007 at 01:46

NEWBIE ALERT!!!!!

What's the problem? I'm not really into consoles anymore, but I thought about getting something the other day and so I thought I'd have a butchers through here and see what people thought etc........

Granted, Sony are screwing Europeans by charging more here than elsewhere for a console and also giving the european model less backwards compatability.

BUT, I just read in another thread that all PS3 games are region free! So why not just get an american or Jap PS3. Then you save, you get the backwards compatability and you can still play all the same games......

Don't see the big deal???

Steeps · 26 Feb 2007 at 03:03

I'm not too clued up on it, but surely that wouldn't work as the ps2 games are still region locked, meaning you'd need jap/us ps2 games?

Joebob · 26 Feb 2007 at 07:21

Steeps said:
I'm not too clued up on it, but surely that wouldn't work as the ps2 games are still region locked, meaning you'd need jap/us ps2 games?

That's right, the only region free media on the PS3 will be PS3 games - everything else is region locked.

Sony did state that they would be moving over to software emulation a long time ago, and I'm guessing that maybe they wanted it in the console since day one so I guess that the people who have the hardware chips are lucky rather than everyone else being unlucky!!!

dannyjo22 · 26 Feb 2007 at 07:52

Chris [BEANS] said:
Granted, Sony are screwing Europeans by charging more here than elsewhere for a console

Isn't that our own tax system rather than sony. Otherwise it's not a sony problem they all do it. Everything to do with Microsoft is also more expensive. Toshiba, panasonic etc etc.

Only reason I might slightly care about backwards compat, is my wife has a load of those buzz games she wont ditch.

Bonjour · 26 Feb 2007 at 08:55

Chris [BEANS] said:
What's the problem? I'm not really into consoles anymore, but I thought about getting something the other day and so I thought I'd have a butchers through here and see what people thought etc........

Granted, Sony are screwing Europeans by charging more here than elsewhere for a console and also giving the european model less backwards compatability.

BUT, I just read in another thread that all PS3 games are region free! So why not just get an american or Jap PS3. Then you save, you get the backwards compatability and you can still play all the same games......

Don't see the big deal???

What about blu-ray movies, which are still region locked? As too are PS2 games.

Any way you look at it, we're getting a raw deal.

REDD555 · 26 Feb 2007 at 09:19

Although the Sony press statement is a bit vague, could there possibly be some hardware IMPROVEMENTS included for the Euro release? Cooler running chips etc etc...? We have moved on over 6 months since the first batches so surely something must have gotten better?

Azza · 26 Feb 2007 at 09:20

Dailytech link about this.

http://www.dailytech.com/European+P...ckwards+Compatibility+Suffers/article6208.htm

"European PS3 to have inferior backwards compatibility compared to North American and Japanese models"

"Sony Computer Entertainment America executives have gone on record to say the PS3 will be “difficult to cost reduce,” and that any reductions that do occur will not immediately translate to lower prices. Furthermore, iSuppli estimates that the EE+GS chip carries a material cost of $27, leaving some to question the cost/benefit of the chip’s removal."

$27 i mean what the hell.

The just seems another way of screwing over the UK/EU people.

JUMPURS · 26 Feb 2007 at 09:21

dannyjo22 said:
Only reason I might slightly care about backwards compat, is my wife has a load of those buzz games she wont ditch.

Wouldn't work anyway. External control devices do not work at the moment, waiting for someone to make an adapter. Will be the same reason as Guitar Hero wont work. You need to press the PS button on the controller to launch the game, the Buzz controller thingy wont have that.

As for people saying it is only $27 i mean $27 isn't a lot, but if they do have a million launch consoles, thats $27million (only on Launch). Which then starts to seem quite logical.
The probably removed it becuase they thought 'Well we are having enough issues with the hardware in it anyway, take it out and get the software working'

The $6m Dan · 26 Feb 2007 at 09:38

Azza said:
$27 i mean what the hell.

That's about £15.
Multiply that by the 1 million units at launch and Sony have instantly save £15m.
Over the lifetime of the console (say 100 million units, if it sells well) that's £1.5b. Which is hardly an insignificant amount of money.

It doesn't make Sony look good, but I doubt it will have a big impact.
Personally I play new games on the new system, not old ones.

JUMPURS · 26 Feb 2007 at 13:36

SCEI speak on the matter

The current PS3 model that's available for purchase in Asia and North America achieves backwards compatibility through hardware, as each unit includes the "Emotion Engine + Graphics Synthesizer" combination CPU and graphics chip that powers the slim model PS2. The European version of the hardware will not have this chip, SCEI confirmed today. To achieve backwards compatibility, the European model will rely on a combination of hardware and software. Sony is including hardware of some form that will take the place of the Graphics Synthesizer graphics chip. The Emotion Engine CPU functionality will be replicated entirely through software emulation.

Well that clears things up totally :confused:

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/767/767810p1.html