Eurofighter

AJUK said:
Does the Eurofighter talk to the Raptor?
It seems a waste of time the rest if the Euro nations having them to be honest because they rarely stick their heads up above the parapet, so it falls to the US and UK to sort things out. There is no way the European states will go to war without the US so unless they are just going to be used for defence it is a waste of time them having them. Which brings me back to me original question.
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I dont agree I think that if push can to shove I think that European States could go to war together... I mean look at WWII the Us didnt enter that untill later...

I dont get the 'Does the Eurofighter talk to the Raptor?' comment...

How about the Falklands as well... Britian did that alone... no help there... so really we dont always need the US to help out...

Stelly
 
Stelly said:
I dont agree I think that if push can to shove I think that European States could go to war together... I mean look at WWII the Us didnt enter that untill later...

I dont get the 'Does the Eurofighter talk to the Raptor?' comment...

How about the Falklands as well... Britian did that alone... no help there... so really we dont always need the US to help out...

Stelly
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The Falklands was 24 years ago and warfare has changed very much since then. Given the nature of modern warfare, the US/UK/Europes advantage comes not only from superior planes etc. but also from communications and integrated systems. The Balkans and Gulf wars were fought by the US and UK whilst the rest of the Europeans (except a paultry token force of specialists) were sipping their cappacino's in Paris and grumbling into the pages of Le Monde about American imperialism. I take it that the Typhoon integrates into the whole communications and integrated battlefield management system that will be used by the Americans, presumably through NATO. If it does can it also be used unilaterally or do we need permission to pull the trigger?
 
AJUK said:
The Falklands was 24 years ago and warfare has changed very much since then. Given the nature of modern warfare, the US/UK/Europes advantage comes not only from superior planes etc. but also from communications and integrated systems. The Balkans and Gulf wars were fought by the US and UK whilst the rest of the Europeans (except a paultry token force of specialists) were sipping their cappacino's in Paris and grumbling into the pages of Le Monde about American imperialism. I take it that the Typhoon integrates into the whole communications and integrated battlefield management system that will be used by the Americans, presumably through NATO. If it does can it also be used unilaterally or do we need permission to pull the trigger?
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most world leaders would like to have permission before pulling the trigger... and the US (I personally dont think) would have gone to war with out the support of the UK... and warfare has not changed that much since the Falklands...

I dont think that the French Economy is in any shape to support a war to be honest with you...

I would think that the Typhoon would integrate with all comms within NATO, I would get my house on it...

Stelly
 
AJUK said:
Does the Eurofighter talk to the Raptor?
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Possibly not directly, but im sure it will have Link-11/Link-16/Link-22 capabilities (these are standard Nato comms protocols).

All of our military infrastructure is strongly geared to NATO co-operabillity, rather than European inter-ops.
 
Stelly said:
most world leaders would like to have permission before pulling the trigger... and the US (I personally dont think) would have gone to war with out the support of the UK... and warfare has not changed that much since the Falklands...

I dont think that the French Economy is in any shape to support a war to be honest with you...

I would think that the Typhoon would integrate with all comms within NATO, I would get my house on it...

Stelly
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I think warfare has changed a lot more than you think, digitization of the army, communications improvements etc have changed a lot behind the scenes. The UK armed forces have changed enough that a war over the falklands would be almost comical....
 
AJUK said:
The Falklands was 24 years ago and warfare has changed very much since then. Given the nature of modern warfare, the US/UK/Europes advantage comes not only from superior planes etc. but also from communications and integrated systems.
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Exactly. The two biggest force multipliers in modern combat are stealth and comms - the ability to present a detailed RAP (Recognised Air Picture), to all interested units, while denying that capability to the enemy. If you can acheive those two objectives then the relative merits of 'our' technology as opposed to 'their' technology become much less important.
 
Stelly said:
... and warfare has not changed that much since the Falklands...
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Coiuldnt disagree more.

The very nature of how modern wars are fought is fundamentally different. If Argentina invaded the falklands tomorrow we would emphatically *not* see a Naval Taskforce, for example. We wouldnt see useless 10,000 mile bombing raids either. The situation would be entirely different.
 
Visage said:
Coiuldnt disagree more.

The very nature of how modern wars are fought is fundamentally different. If Argentina invaded the falklands tomorrow we would emphatically *not* see a Naval Taskforce, for example. We wouldnt see useless 10,000 mile bombing raids either. The situation would be entirely different.
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The argentinians do not have anything with whitch to attack the falklands anyway, not compared with the forces we have over there, the place is pretty much a fortress, big numbers of tornadoes, troops etc
 
lucifersam said:
The argentinians do not have anything with whitch to attack the falklands anyway, not compared with the forces we have over there, the place is pretty much a fortress, big numbers of tornadoes, troops etc
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There's only 4 F3s in the Falklands, not exactly a 'big number' :p Although you're right, they wouldn't attack with the Marines we have there, and the counter attacks the F3's could mount.
 
OCdt Stringy said:
There's only 4 F3s in the Falklands, not exactly a 'big number' :p Although you're right, they wouldn't attack with the Marines we have there, and the counter attacks the F3's could mount.
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The Argies agreed to not try to seek sovereignty of the Falklands by force (because they got a kicking last time) and will only seek diplomatic means, however, the UK continues to refuse any talks about sovereignty. I think the forces we have on the islands are there purely as a backup in case, like most latin types, you can't trust 'em. :D
 
Just ask the F-4 B/C/D Phantom pilots in Vietnam how they managed in dogfights without a gun(!) One guy - a WW2 Mustang veteran of all people, stated that he could have shot down 9 more than his actual total of 4 MiGs if they'd fitted a gun to the F-4 from the start (& not just the E & F models). & as for ground attack....
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Yeah, there were many many occasions where F4's engaged in dogfight's with MiG's despite having no gun. This naturally then led to them being equipped with one.

I'm not too convinced on the Eurofighter. So far 2 reserve squadrons are equipped with the aircraft (last time I checked). Just looking at the airframe it makes me think how much it can actually carry. Will this replace the Tornado eventually? Because imo it won't do as well, the Tornado is a great all-rounder.
 
FirebarUK said:
Yeah, there were many many occasions where F4's engaged in dogfight's with MiG's despite having no gun. This naturally then led to them being equipped with one.

I'm not too convinced on the Eurofighter. So far 2 reserve squadrons are equipped with the aircraft (last time I checked). Just looking at the airframe it makes me think how much it can actually carry. Will this replace the Tornado eventually? Because imo it won't do as well, the Tornado is a great all-rounder.
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Your answers are here

http://www.fighter-planes.com/
 
OCdt Stringy said:
There's only 4 F3s in the Falklands, not exactly a 'big number' :p Although you're right, they wouldn't attack with the Marines we have there, and the counter attacks the F3's could mount.
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I was sure there were more there but looks like i was wrong! :eek:
 
talking about F-16's , a greek one and a turkish one collided just half an hour ago east of crete... :mad: god damn these turkish idiots they were again violating athens IFR , since january 1 over 1000 violations recorded. and they want EU accession , :mad:
 
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