I'd go take a look at the id3 if you can. They're well refined and do have the bigger boot of the two. Great value if you can get past the temperamental infotainment
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I'd go take a look at the id3 if you can. They're well refined and do have the bigger boot of the two. Great value if you can get past the temperamental infotainment
It also means the charging speed (in terms of mile/hour) is potentially higher, e.g. example made up figures; a car that does 4 mi/kWh, and charges at 100kw charges "faster" than one which charges at 150kw, but only does 2 mi/kWh
Are you really trying to gatekeep the motors subforum?
For the vast majority of people, a car IS just a vessel to move from A to B, sure "engagement" and "feel" are a bonus, but for most people, that's very far down the list compared to safety, reliability, practicality, and financials.
Can't argue with that. Putting my foot down in the Niro when the roads are barely damp results in a whole load of noise and very little movement
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Hah yeah same drivetrain as the Kona, that's why a lot of owners change to better tyres, but even then you do have to be careful. There's even a button to turn traction control off, erm
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Look at the Cupra over the ID.3, it’s the same car.
Isn’t the irony that the more efficient car with a smaller battery should in theory handle better because of the lower weight.
At the end of the day, price (including running costs), features and styling sells cars to the mass market.
Edit: too slow @Haggisman put it better.
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You would say that as you have a model 3 SR though… IMO
Agree that’s why I was wondering why such a focus on efficiency. Efficiency being what the car tells you too which is some cases isn’t accurate.
Can’t beat physics and 70mph is more do to with aerodynamics than about motor or battery technology
Think the cupra is a great all rounder. Much better drive and looks than a ID3 and loads of room. Mine had the recall and 3.5 software last week and infotainment is absolutely fine. It was before just a tiny bit fast now.
And back to other point. The cupra drives really well and the steering is uncorruoted like some of these Korean EVs. The soul is a little fidgety on B roads which is pretty annoying, does turn in nicely though. The efficiency is average considering it’s small I expected a bit better but I guess it’s not the slippiest of shapes.
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I wasn’t referencing any particular car but what Tesla can get out of a 60kwh battery means it is more car than 90% of the population actually need. 200+ miles of real world range in any weather and can add another 100 miles in 10-12 mins on any charger that can deliver the full 500A. You can do up to 6 hours driving with a 10 min stop for a break, seems reasonable to me.
If cars like the Kona and Nero could charge a bit quicker, they too would be hard to criticise other than their insane RRP. Fortunately people aren’t paying anymore, well I hope not…
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And getting to 70mph is about what?
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For many the shift to EV was all about saving money, either BIK or fuel savings. Ive looked at many EV's and i must admit i was also fixated on range and what not, but when you look into it, the differences in journey time arent huge for most of the EV models. Were i not getting one as a company car, an I3 or ID3 would definately be our second car. Im sold on them.
Anyway, a question for those of you experienced with VAG EV's, how much better does DCC make the driving experience? Narrowing my choice down to a Enyaq 85x and VW ID7, the Enyaq will have DCC, the ID7 not. Had a play with a Model Y, love the ease of test drives with them. I really wanted to dislike it entirely, but you have to appreciate how brilliant an EV product it is. Shame the ride is shocking. I also was getting headaches driving it, which ive not had with an other EV drive so far.
Anyway, a question for those of you experienced with VAG EV's, how much better does DCC make the driving experience? Narrowing my choice down to a Enyaq 85x and VW ID7, the Enyaq will have DCC, the ID7 not. Had a play with a Model Y, love the ease of test drives with them. I really wanted to dislike it entirely, but you have to appreciate how brilliant an EV product it is. Shame the ride is shocking. I also was getting headaches driving it, which ive not had with an other EV drive so far.
Headaches while driving a specific car is a new one on me! There wasn't a nice pub just down the road from the dealership you kept popping into before / after the test drive was there?
On a serious note, depth of field / view or sway can cause nausia or headaches so that could be it. If you need glasses for driving then are you due a check up? That would cause headaches as well, although I'm not sure why it would be a specific car or model.
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on id3 anyway my current private purchase thinking is that sticking with 18" wheels rather than introduce repair cost liability of DCC is better option,
however if I was buying new, seems the vw newest DCC incarnation with less electro mechanics, rather ferrous type fluid & electromagnetic to change viscosity would be more robust.
About a few seconds compared to 2 hours on a motorway
I've just moved from an ID.3 to Model Y, our ID.3 had DCC..
What I would say is that DCC is noticeable.. We had a plain ID.3 courtesy car whilst it had the battery recall undertaken and whilst the standard suspension is surprisingly good, it's just icing on the cake with DCC, the dynamic range between it's softest and hardest setting is great, so I drove around in custom mode with the suspension on its softest setting (there are 2 levels below the inbuilt 'comfort'.. ) I think I'd drive both as most people are dead to the world and may not notice as the standard suspension is a well setup.. only if you are sensitive (as I appear to be!) to such things would you treasure adaptive suspension (I've had it in a lot of cars for this reason).
As for the Model Y, it's weird, it's actually a nicer ride on motorways and undulating surfaces, so good A roads / Motorways it's a nicer place to be, but yes, on really poor roads it is firm to a point that you would instantly notice over the ID.3.. but then it's infinitely more sporty..
We drove to the Tesla center in Stratford Upon Avon in our ID.3 and took the Model Y LR out, then drove the exact route in the ID.3 and it wasn't as bad as we thought, the ID.3 misbehaved at times on the same route (some shockingly bad roads around there!), it didn't deal as well as I thought with some of the rougher roads, so it really boiled down to this veil of firmness the Model Y has vs it being a less pitchy/better experience on undulating and other sections of road..
In reality if the Model Y had adaptive suspension, people could have what they want and it'd be the biggest no brainer ever..
My Mums ID.3 has 18" Derry Alloys/Tyres, it's perfectly OK, the only negative traits the ID.3 has is really just a bit of pitchiness on certain roads, but I wouldn't avoid the 19" wheels since they still have a nice amount of profile left for some additional suspension.
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It's important to consider that while best case scenario (you turn up and there is a free working charger) may not make too much difference, in reality you may be waiting an extra 20-30 minutes for a charger if 2-3 are broken and the other 2-3 are in use (or even longer at busier times).
I try wherever possible to plan a charge stop where there are at least 5 chargers, and (touch wood), so far I've never had to wait more than ~10 mins, but there's always that risk.
This is obviously improving all the time as more and more chargers are installed, and I'm not trying to put you off by any means, but just make sure you have realistic expectations (and a plan B!)
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Have you even drove an EV yet jpaul before reciting press releases and then pretending to be a fact holder on the attributes DCC offers?
Very poor to mislead people (and continue to post guff in broken English/latin soup)
Very poor to mislead people (and continue to post guff in broken English/latin soup)
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Agreed - As a company owner switching from my private contract hire to a business contract hire was a total no brainer when the new tax rules for EV's meant you pay 1% BIK.
In 2018 I was paying £423 per month for a E Class estate (Premium Plus) with a 192Bhp 2.0 petrol engine P11d value was 50k. That's £423 a month from me, after I had already paid tax/NI on the earnings.
In 2021 I contract hired a Polestar 2 through my business, which was costing the business £491 a month. P11d value was about 50k again. That's about £1500 a year that came off my corporation tax bill and the electricity was cheaper than petrol, and as a bonus the car had 469bhp.
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It's the major use of power. Take aircraft, some can use up to 50% of their fuel payload on take-off alone. Cruising is incredibly efficient, changes in speed are not.
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In a car it is the peak power demand. It’s nothing close to what defines the energy use over a trip!
When does a car take off. Complete different things. We are talking about 70 mph on a motorway. Which will probably use less than 0.2kWh to get to 70 versus 1kwh every 3 miles
150kW for 20 seconds is more than enough for any Ev to hit 70.
A jet engine is also optimised for cruising at one air speed… and it uses fuel so tends to be much more efficient at one speed. Talk about a tenuous analogy.
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