EV general discussion

lordrobs said:
I ran the numbers on my last 10 work trips today using ABRP and compared the cost to my current car. Had I known living the middle management dream was this thrilling I don't think my younger self could have contained the excitement. Anyway, it was sort of interesting.

Based on starting with a 100% battery in a big battery Enyaq charged on an off peak tariff the trips ranged between £23 cheaper and £51 more expensive. That expensive trip was over 1100 miles so not really the norm! Generally it was score one for the EV from the company side.

Then I compared to the flawed HMRC flat 8p/mile and they range between £9.80 cheaper and £119 more expensive. Last three trips I've done averaged to a net cost to the employee of £27... Each.

I probably should have done this bit of research before putting my car suggestions to the boss and giving a solid case for going full EV.

I'll have to row back on it and say that suitability is assuming business miles are covered at cost using an AllStar Chargepass card. It's a bit more faff though so may get some push back.
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I’m quite proud of my spreadsheets when it comes to all things company cars and mileage.

Our company is basically covering all public charging costs for business trips so. Have you looked if the Tesla or Ionity subs would bring the costs down. When I initially did my sums, I was going to be out of pocket on 2 regular trips, but if I looked at it over all, it was a net gain.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
It makes more sense to pay back personal miles with a BEV if you actually use it for work regularly.

All Star have this on lockdown now, they have a system where they hook into your charger and your energy supplier and pay for your EV fuel directly to your supplier. They also give you a RFID that works with most public chargers.
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Yeah thanks for the heads up on that a while ago.

Ironic thing is that I'd actually be worse off on an EV tariff if I pay back at a flat 8ppm and would be better off staying on Octopus Tracker.
 
Ah snap. I had forgotten about the 8p rate. I'll go from 99£ a trip to 18 quid.
 
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I guess with Sal Sac EVs technically being a 'company car' (or at least a benefit, hence the BIK), you also can't claim the tax relief on the gap between 8p and 45p/25p as you could if it was a genuinely personally owned car?
 
lordrobs said:
Yeah thanks for the heads up on that a while ago.

Ironic thing is that I'd actually be worse off on an EV tariff if I pay back at a flat 8ppm and would be better off staying on Octopus Tracker.
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Yes you will be unless you have another non-company EV or batteries to fill you'd be better off on tracker or a flat rate tariff.
 
Kenai said:
I guess with Sal Sac EVs technically being a 'company car' (or at least a benefit, hence the BIK), you also can't claim the tax relief on the gap between 8p and 45p/25p as you could if it was a genuinely personally owned car?
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Yeah doubt it - I get the full 45p and don't have to do any tax claims.
 
dlockers said:
Think I am going to check out the ID7 tomorrow. One question I have - no judgement please - when I do the 100 miles up the M1, I normally stick cruise on a speedo-guided 85. Will that turn the ID7 range into dust?
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Last time I was on the M1, 90% of it seemed to be either 50 or 60mph limit. You'll do well to see 85 :)
 
dlockers said:
Ah snap. I had forgotten about the 8p rate. I'll go from 99£ a trip to 18 quid.
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Can someone maths this for me :cry:

I do 10k/miles year. I pay for 99 so roughly at average MPG I get 20p a mile cost.

If I do similar miles in the Veedub - how much would it cost per mile on an 8p tariff?
 
dlockers said:
Can someone maths this for me :cry:

I do 10k/miles year. I pay for 99 so roughly at average MPG I get 20p a mile cost.

If I do similar miles in the Veedub - how much would it cost per mile on an 8p tariff?
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8p per kwh / 4 miles per kwh = 2p per mile.
If you get 4miles per kwh that is - but not as 85mph.
 
Octopus seem to have started 'cracking down' on certain behaviour they are seeing on the IO tariff. They've sent emails to customers who have IO linked to their Tesla who have a schedule set in the car to ask them to stop. I'm on the naughty list too.

When you plug the car in, it automatically starts charging as you'd expect it to. Octopus does take over and stop the charging when it sets its schedule but sometimes it takes 5 mins, other times it takes a while and this will be at peak rate power.

A lot of Tesla people using IO have a schedule set in the car to start charging at 23:30 to stop the car automatically stop charging when it is plugged in. IO can start the charge before 23:30 and override the schedule. Octopus seem to be taking issue with this because it starts charging the car at 23:30 which is not when they want it to start charging on IO and it messes up their optimisation.

The crux of the email was, take off the schedule and we will give you a free charge on Monday, if you don't take off the schedule so we can't OI charge properly in 30 days, we will kick you off the tariff.

I guess that means going back to manually stopping the charge when I plug in every time until the Hypervolt V2 is updated to IO by the end of the year, first world problems but its very annoying!
 
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Haha I got the same email as I permanently have their control disabled.

I enabled it and this morning I got a message that they failed to control charging or whatever. Luckily it still charged as I have a long journey today...
 
dlockers said:
Vw seems antiquated. Can't test drive on your own..and they're changing the model with the ID range so the dealer knows very little.
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Are they going to agency model for the ID? The electric cars do seem to have disappeared off drivethedeal

Never had a problem test driving one on my own before though
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
first world problems but its very annoying!
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So you can automate the car or possibly wall charger with home assistant and some addons. Only slight pain is controlling the car requires you pay for a service or jump through some hoops to be able to access the fleet API.

IF my is plugged in AND is at home AND bump charge isn't active AND intellegent dispatching isnt active THEN stop charging.

Currently using Teslemetry, although I saw recently I can access the Fleet API without a VAT number directly so might switch to tesla-http-proxy and self host as free.

I might also set up a backup plan to automatically disable intellegent and force charging if it is being stupid.

I have a few other automations related to the car:
Unlock front door on returning home
Precondition based on entries in a google calandar, to fit with my variable commute.
 
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Yes I’ve got HA and I never bothered re-adding the Tesla when I started over as I never used any of its entities. I’m sure I can automate it if I put my mind to it.

It will ultimately come down to what annoys me more, having to stop the charging manually or having to spend a load of time fiddling with HA to get it to work robustly and if that happens before Octpus and Hypervolt pull their fingers out and enable my old V2 charger for IO.
 
chanjy said:
Are they going to agency model for the ID? The electric cars do seem to have disappeared off drivethedeal

Never had a problem test driving one on my own before though
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I struggled to find one to look at, looks like its a seperate division in VW that looks after ID cars. I found one to test at Listers in Worcester, they gave me the keys and left me to myself. My long term test was sourced through work with VW Financial services.
 
Tinders said:
I struggled to find one to look at, looks like its a seperate division in VW that looks after ID cars. I found one to test at Listers in Worcester, they gave me the keys and left me to myself. My long term test was sourced through work with VW Financial services.
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We’re picking up an EQC from Mercedes Cheltenham this afternoon - they didn’t hang we could test drive last Saturday and put the child seat in etc, so the salesperson borrowed one off her friend at another dealership when she drove to work the next day!
 
Yeah I had a similar experience with Merc in Brum. Let me have a EQB for a good few hours. No pressure from a sales point of view aswell.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Octopus seem to have started 'cracking down' on certain behaviour they are seeing on the IO tariff. They've sent emails to customers who have IO linked to their Tesla who have a schedule set in the car to ask them to stop. I'm on the naughty list too.
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Same here BUT the reason I set the car to charge at 23:30 is because I was waking up in the morning with low charge as the Octopus system wasn't 100% reliable.

I have removed the schedule and it did work last night. However at first the car started to charge as normal when plugged in and I waited for Octopus to stop the charge and set a schedule but it didn't. Looking in the app it hadn't updated the plugged in status so I stopped the Tesla charge manually. Changed the charge target in the Octopus app and a few minutes later it finally created a charge schedule.

I re-applied the Tesla virtual key recently as the cars status seemed to be stuck on away from home when it was parked right below my front window. Tesla 3rd party location option is enabled. Tesla app was showing the car parked on my drive.
 
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