EV general discussion
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A £30k car sells new for between half and two thirds of its list price?
My Zoe is the 40kwh with 22kw charging, and it has been an inconvenience (compared to an ICE) on precisely 1 occasion - went camping in Wales (not great charging infrastructure on the West coast 
) and planned to charge at a National Trust beach car park - turns out the charging point was basically just a plug screwed to a fence post, and the Zoe is particularly fussy about earthing, so refused to charge. Meant we had to leave the beach an hour early and travel a few miles to a nearby town to charge while having a pub dinner... hard times 
I'm aware that EVs are totally not suitable for some people's usage, but for us so far it hasn't been an issue at all - some journeys require a bit more planning on where to stop en-route, but with an 8 year old who gets restless being in the car for more than an hour or 2 anyway, the odd 45 minute charge break is easy enough to time to coincide with the toilet/food/run around for 10 minutes breaks we would be taking anyway.
Yup, I paid ~£21k for mine (and based on a quick search on Autotrader is currently worth ~£17k after 18 months).
) and planned to charge at a National Trust beach car park - turns out the charging point was basically just a plug screwed to a fence post, and the Zoe is particularly fussy about earthing, so refused to charge. Meant we had to leave the beach an hour early and travel a few miles to a nearby town to charge while having a pub dinner... hard times I'm aware that EVs are totally not suitable for some people's usage, but for us so far it hasn't been an issue at all - some journeys require a bit more planning on where to stop en-route, but with an 8 year old who gets restless being in the car for more than an hour or 2 anyway, the odd 45 minute charge break is easy enough to time to coincide with the toilet/food/run around for 10 minutes breaks we would be taking anyway.
Yup, I paid ~£21k for mine (and based on a quick search on Autotrader is currently worth ~£17k after 18 months).
I'm sure you can fill in the details but the price then seems to have been around £28k. The plug-in grant I think was £3.5k so your discount from list would have been around £3.5k, 12.5%.
I added a few options on it so the total price was ~£29k, plus delivery & reg fee, so basically £30k
The grant was £4.5k (I assume McPhee was including the grant in the £10-16k), deposit contribution £750, so yeah, the discount would have been ~£3.5k.
The grant was £4.5k (I assume McPhee was including the grant in the £10-16k), deposit contribution £750, so yeah, the discount would have been ~£3.5k.
Looking back at my CarWow account, the best I've seen for a new Zoe (with battery included) was £15,897. That was for a 40kWh model in Dynamique Nav trim. I'm struggling to find the list price for the car, but Auto Express quotes £28,795 to £33,295 in their review. So not far off 50%, depending on where that model fell in that range.
Yes, PICG needs taking off in order to see the real discount. Then the same is true for depreciation. The PICG and any discounts need removing. Once that has been done, the ~£18k 3 year depreciation figure jpaul posted drops dramatically.
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You always get this with electric cars. The old model, lower battery version gets heavily discounted when a new version comes out. The same happened with the remaining stock of 24kw Leafs when the 30's and 40's came out.
It's like buying last years flagship phones.
It's like buying last years flagship phones.
Not sure about the 24kWh Leaf, but that didn't happen with the 30kWh. I remember being gutted I missed the good deals, which ended about 5 months before the new Leaf was unveiled, and nine months before you could actually get one of the new cars. I assumed the deals would continue, and I'd be able to nab one when the Zoe went back.
All supply and demand. Those deals were at a time where everyone was certain that the batteries would be completely useless in 5 years, and they'd just come out of a damning report where a load of batteries had degraded really rapidly in Arizona (in 50c heat).
In error I chopped the image before the running cost per mile, which were ~35p each per mile, for honda&zoe
but, as said, discounts, although, perhaps, not as large, are also available on the ICE.
I hadn't realised autotrader does not (yet) give you a battery size option(or ps) to triage cars;
I was trying to see what the relative used price of 24KWh versus bigger batteries.
but, as said, discounts, although, perhaps, not as large, are also available on the ICE.
I hadn't realised autotrader does not (yet) give you a battery size option(or ps) to triage cars;
I was trying to see what the relative used price of 24KWh versus bigger batteries.
you need to put depreciation in the zoe/civic comparison eg
It's overly complicated for the Zoe anyway. Determining which cars have a battery lease attached and which have the battery included is a right game (particularly given how often cars are falsely advertised). Then there's trim level, motor options, "quick charge" options, etc.
Unless you were actually looking to buy one, it's really not worth the time it'll take.
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I'd always thought that with the Zoes, its just so complicated with different models and options before you even get to the battery leasing. That together with all but the newest ones having a defunct connector makes them a really hard sell as a main car.
Tbh, I was surprised at the size of the discount on the Zoe, considering demand, and how hard they were to get hold of at the time (I had to wait 5 months for mine), it was also before the 50kw was even announced
Agreed - Did 380 mile around trip recent in my M3 with my 8 year old daughter (swimming competition!!) Range was around 160-170 as it was pouring rain, cold and windy (all of which reduce the range) - Probably could have made it on a single charge but stopping for a coffee/bacon roll/toilet break that I would have stopped anyway in any car, and got free charging for 20 minutes.
Charged at the destination for 45 minutes, for free again. Then drove home and stopped once on the way home for McDonalds and again charged for free whilst eating McDonalds. One stop each way would have happened in ICE car anyway with an 8 year old. So no time was lost, no detours and cost me around £4 for 380 mile journey (full charge at home before leaving) - all chargers on route were free.
Smallest battery, base model. I expect they've got an oversupply that they need to shift now the bigger batteries are coming out.
(old ground, but even for tesla too)
the, "will the charger be available ?", has to a be a concern, the journey I listed earlier with a 30&35 minute stop, going north on A1(M) friday evening, with return on sunday evening
with just one ccs and one chadmo, apparently, at shell station route selector gave https://www.zap-map.com/pts/sr7nv4c/
what are the odd's you have to wait, and, your recharge will not, then, take an hour ?
do you arrive assess how long it might take, and search a contingency if necessary
the, "will the charger be available ?", has to a be a concern, the journey I listed earlier with a 30&35 minute stop, going north on A1(M) friday evening, with return on sunday evening
with just one ccs and one chadmo, apparently, at shell station route selector gave https://www.zap-map.com/pts/sr7nv4c/
what are the odd's you have to wait, and, your recharge will not, then, take an hour ?
do you arrive assess how long it might take, and search a contingency if necessary
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Really liking the looks of the new Ford Mach-E, think the GT "performance" one will be 70 grand though.