EV general discussion

Most of the Youtuber reviewers are a bit meh, i follow the Autogefuhl channel, and their reviews are more factual than opinion pieces.

I like Jonny smith as he has a fairly eclectic taste in crappy cars, but he can be a bit much, and tbh, Richard porter is the one that makes the smith n sniff pod worth it. Jayemm, Mat watson, autoalex et al are all watchable in small doses.
 
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VincentHanna said:
Did anyone mention this?

www.telegraph.co.uk

Treasury scrambles to cut electric car charging costs over tax fears

Government officials consider lowering 20pc VAT rate for public chargers to reduce bills
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am not sure it will make a difference to be honest.
whilst it is true there is still a lot of low hanging fruit to snag, where EVs will already work for them, if the long term plan is to get even people reliant on public charging to upgrade then so long as the pre vat costs are still north of 50p / KW then cutting vat is still a drop in the bucket and won't take running costs per mile to even parity with a petrol, and that is before we get to the 3p per mile EV road tax.

PS am not signing up to the telegraph to read the link.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
PS am not signing up to the telegraph to read the link.
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Here you go - and no I didn't sign up just nopaywall workaround.

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Rachel Reeves is preparing to cut charging costs for electric vehicle (EV) drivers amid fears a new pay-per-mile tax will kill off demand.

Treasury officials are scrambling to find ways to reduce bills for consumers and businesses after official forecasts showed the Chancellor’s 3p-per-mile charge on electric cars from 2028 will hammer sales.

It is understood that Downing Street is focused on cutting so-called network charges at public charging points used by EV drivers, which have increased dramatically in recent years.

The Treasury is also looking at reducing the 20pc VAT rate currently applied to chargers located at service stations, supermarkets and residential streets.

This rate is much higher than the 5pc levy faced by drivers who charge their cars at home.

Officials have held meetings with industry experts in recent weeks to discuss options to reduce the burden on motorists.

One person involved in the discussions said fears were growing inside the Treasury that the pay-per-mile tax will “kill EV demand”.

The tax is expected to cost the average EV driver an extra £255 per year as the Treasury seeks to replace lost revenues from fuel duty. Drivers of hybrid vehicles also face a 1.5p per-mile-tax from 2028.

A Whitehall source said: “The way we convince people to switch to EVs is by showing people it is easy and it is cheap. There are savings to be had here for many people.”

A ‘pavement tax’​

Experts are also being consulted on how to streamline the regulatory regime that governs energy prices for public charging points.

Campaigners have dubbed the disparity a “pavement tax”, because it means drivers who rely on public chargers face significantly higher costs than those with access to off-street parking.

Another Whitehall source said the Treasury had accepted that tax cuts were needed to cushion the blow from the pay-per-mile levy.

Government insiders have even suggested the subsidies could pay for themselves by stimulating demand for British-made EVs such as the Nissan Leaf in Sunderland, putting more money back into the economy.

The Government has been dogged by a series of setbacks in recent weeks as it was forced to backtrack on higher taxes for farmers and pub landlords.

Manufacturers’ turmoil​

The car industry is also piling pressure on Whitehall to further water down a zero emission vehicle (ZEV) mandate that states companies must ensure 33pc of the cars they sell this year are electric or risk massive fines.

The industry has warned this is creating turmoil among manufacturers, particularly as Europe backs away from its own plan to end the sale of petrol and diesel cars in 2035.

An estimated 440,000 fewer EVs will be sold as a result of the pay-per-mile tax, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), eclipsing an expected sales boost from a string of other measures including subsidies for EV owners.

Ms Reeves announced in the Budget that the Government would “review the cost of public electric vehicle charging, looking at the impact of energy prices, wider cost contributors and options for lowering these costs for consumers”.

Public charging is expected to become increasingly important as EV sales grow and new petrol car sales are ultimately banned in 2030.

While most EV drivers have access to charging at work or at home, those without home chargers will have to rely on public networks.

However, while those at home can charge for about 8p per kilowatt hour (kWh) at home, the comparable rate for a slow public charger is almost seven times higher at 54p per kWh, according to data provider Zapmap.

Charging providers blame VAT and surging standing charges for the high costs of public charging, as well as a recent slowdown in their rollout of infrastructure.

The Telegraph previously revealed that the number of EV charger installations had fallen for the first time in 2025.

One executive said the cost at one example site had jumped from less than £100 per year to nearly £40,000 due to recent changes in the way standing charges are calculated.

They added: “We’re now at the point where standing charges make up more than half of the cost drivers are paying for electricity. Cutting them would bring down prices overnight.”

A Government spokesman said: “The Government is boosting the EV transition by saving drivers up to £3,750 off a new car, with almost 50,000 people benefitting already, and investing over £7.5bn into the UK electric vehicle sector.

“We’re also reviewing the cost of public EV charging, which will look at the impact of energy prices, wider cost contributors and options for lowering these costs for consumers.”"
 
VincentHanna said:
It's literally a 15% reduction, I'll take it for now!
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will it encourage someone reliant on public charging to make the leap to an EV but are currently put off due to charging costs?
if so then great! but if not it will be a costly endeavour which will benefit those who mostly home charge but need the odd public one now and then........... but not much else.

it's not that I don't appreciate the effort but I just don't see it making much difference to getting EVs a viable prospect for more people.

I was more optimistic a few years ago, when we had companies like BT saying they were going to convert their old green BT boxes to public destination chargers. There are some in my town perfect for this, one of them even outside a small residential block of flats and with enough space for 3 or 4 parking bays.
but this project has been shelved now and (in my town at least) there has been zero affordable AC charging sockets installed, and that is where I think investment is needed.

instead we had a bunch of 75p/kw+ fast chargers installed in our public carpark which is on top of paying the parking fees. which is surely close to double the costs of running a petrol.
 
Journey said:
Rachel Reeves is preparing to cut charging costs for electric vehicle (EV) drivers amid fears a new pay-per-mile tax will kill off demand.
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Comments like this are hilarious. It just goes to show how little research is done by our gov, they seem to have the same mentality I had when I was 5, "oh we need less crime, just hire more cops" with no consideration to the consequences. Assuming their pay-per-mile tax went through all the relevant layers of beaurocracy, how did it get to this point with nobody thinking of this?

Genuinely baffling.
 
Diddums said:
Comments like this are hilarious. It just goes to show how little research is done by our gov, they seem to have the same mentality I had when I was 5, "oh we need less crime, just hire more cops" with no consideration to the consequences. Assuming their pay-per-mile tax went through all the relevant layers of beaurocracy, how did it get to this point with nobody thinking of this?

Genuinely baffling.
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I’m too baffled why they thought it was a good idea at this specific time. It will kill off any hope of moving EV skeptics (which is a hell of a lot of people) and anyone who relies on public charging away from fossil fuels.

The whole policy feels like it was designed by someone who doesn’t actually own a car and they seem to have picked the idea which is by far the most expensive to implement.

Just sticking another average of £255 on VED would have been by far the cheapest and simplest solution.

I specifically say ‘average’ because you would want to charge someone with a large expensive SUV less than someone buying a cheap b-segment hatch.

It’s so obvious I’m not sure why they can’t see the wood for the trees on this one.

Knocking 12% off public charging isn’t going to move the needle when it’s 30-50% too expensive in reality.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
I’m too baffled why they thought it was a good idea at this specific time. It will kill off any hope of moving EV skeptics (which is a hell of a lot of people) and anyone who relies on public charging away from fossil fuels.

The whole policy feels like it was designed by someone who doesn’t actually own a car and they seem to have picked the idea which is by far the most expensive to implement.

Just sticking another average of £255 on VED would have been by far the cheapest and simplest solution.

I specifically say ‘average’ because you would want to charge someone with a large expensive SUV less than someone buying a cheap b-segment hatch.

It’s so obvious I’m not sure why they can’t see the wood for the trees on this one.

Knocking 12% off public charging isn’t going to move the needle when it’s 30-50% too expensive in reality.
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I've worked extensively in the public sector and this level of competency is absolutely rife. Sadly this goes all the way to the top at no10, where they seem to all have a collective room temperature IQ and are easily influenced by folks with deep pockets.

Just look at some of them, they remind me of safaris back home, when you look at some creatures and you realize that the only reason they exist is to feed animals further up the food chain. They just have that look of "derp" permanently on their faces. No better illustration of this has taken place since that hopeless look on Reeves' face when she was getting dismantled by Badenoch. She didn't have any answers, there was absolutely zero thought. It was like looking at the face of someone who's failed her way to the top and is so far out of her depth that even the simplest of people are more intelligent than her.

And these are the ones they put on display for the world to see, imagine what the number crunchers in the background are like :eek:


Anyway, let me not take this further off topic.
 
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