Isn't that 65mph average. I take it there was some non motorway part of the trip?
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we'll be watching Waymo versus the roundabout soon in London per r4 discussed this am, another first in europe for starmer.
Robotaxis Will Hit London's Notoriously Unruly Roads This Year. Are They Ready for Chaos?
Waymo and Wayve (in partnership with Uber) are gearing up to launch in the British capital by the end of 2026. At SXSW London, the companies showed how the prep is going.
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They’ll be fine in London and the UK as a whole. People think UK drivers are terrible but they are nothing compared to elsewhere in this regard.
I posted this Tesla VS Xpeng ‘FSD’ video from China recently, if they can work with this, they can work in the U.K. just fine.
I say ‘FSD’ because both are clearly still hands on and driver in control products currently.
I posted this Tesla VS Xpeng ‘FSD’ video from China recently, if they can work with this, they can work in the U.K. just fine.
I say ‘FSD’ because both are clearly still hands on and driver in control products currently.
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FSD is working brilliantly in the Netherlands, I think it'll be fine here. I can't see it being unsupervised for a long, long time though.
No point comparing it to the Autosteer/TACC software as that's comparatively outdated. FSD is a huge change.
I think UK approval this year is pretty optimistic though!
No point comparing it to the Autosteer/TACC software as that's comparatively outdated. FSD is a huge change.
I think UK approval this year is pretty optimistic though!
I visited my parents this weekend who got themselves an R4 Iconic+ a few weeks ago, and had a play about in it. The dimensions on paper don't make it sound much bigger my R5, but in the metal it looks and feels like a noticeably larger, chunkier car. Interior is mostly the same as my R5, there's a bit (and only a bit) more room in the back for passengers though I still wouldn't call it spacious. It feels set up for a slightly softer ride as it was soaking up the poor road surfaces a little better than my R5 does, but otherwise they feel fairly similar to drive. I like the one-pedal drive too, didn't think it would be a big deal but do find myself wishing my R5 had it now (although surprisingly, it doesn't work in Reverse). The Harmon Kardon audio system sounds really good too, again unfortunately not an option on the R5 until very recently.
Gave them both a decent clean and got some photos:
Gave them both a decent clean and got some photos:
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Personally think they would struggle and/or have considerations around where I live and not due to driving standards, partly due to how erratic the implementation of roads is but also while not a year around thing there are good chunks of the year where local knowledge comes into play when it comes to weather conditions and managing things like flooding and high winds, etc. and I suspect the same applies for other more rural areas for example there are roads people would avoid when it especially windy due to the crosswinds on exposed areas and/or chances of trees coming down Vs other routes, etc.
Both great looking cars I think, The r4 was on my shortlist too but in the red colour.
I'm convinced that the R5 is going to become the new mini and eat into so much of their market. You can't have 5 cars go past you without one being a mini and I'm starting to see more and more R5 and strangely they are almost always green or yellow. I so much prefer the blue. Now if they would just bring out a refresh to sort out that god awful yellow interior and reversing stalk. I may be the only one that also hates black roofs, I have it on my mini and wifes Seat and have grown to detest them. I wish they had a body colour option. Lovely car though, proper looking wheels rather than those horrid aero foil type alloys and no matt plastics!
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There isn't really anywhere outside of very remote farms/hamets out in the sticks which isn't served by a decent road by global standards the UK. FSD is already well proven to work down narrow country roads (edit: including those without markings).
Even if a road isn't suitable because it's basically a track, it just will not drive down there and instead will take the slightly longer route via a better road. Even then it accounts for a tiny fraction of journeys.
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(genuine question as I am pretty ignorant of the limits of self driving software)
how do they go on with almost single lane roads with passing places? are they intelligent enough to see a car blocking the road and reverse up and into a passing spot or do they just have a stand off?
how do they go on with almost single lane roads with passing places? are they intelligent enough to see a car blocking the road and reverse up and into a passing spot or do they just have a stand off?
as it stands i wouldn't trust it in anything other than motorway traffic. and even then i would rather drive than babysit software
(but that's just my take)
We don't have anything remotely capable to whats available in the US and china from any manufacturer though.
Basically, if it can get in a passing place going forward it will, otherwise yes, user intervention is probably required. At the end of the day, these are only 'level 2' systems.
Edit: here are a couple of shorts
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That is indeed true...only speaking from experience using the UK versions
When I said erratic implementation of roads I'm generalising in terms of layout but also how people park, agricultural traffic and so on - some of the villages around here if it is remotely busy you have to do a lot of planning ahead / behind to make use of passing spaces and so on which even with advanced AI would need a ton of computing power to get close to AI coping with let alone coping with safely. Most of the example videos are just 1 or 2 cars in a limited choke point rather than dealing with multiple vehicles of different types with mixed obstacles over the length of a small village, etc.
Sure you can intervene and/or take control through the worst bits if driving but another story for things like driverless taxis, etc.
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self driving cars are all or nothing for me. if I can't go to the pub and have a drink before it bringing me home it's worthless
*BUT* for my parents with my dad in his 80s who has to drive 200 miles to visit me. 160 miles of which are essentially on 1 single road (M6/A14) even if it only worked on motorways and dual carriageways , so long as it was reliable and allowed him to switch off it would be a bit of a god send.
when people get to a certain age, 40 miles driving is a hell of a lot easier than 200 miles.
*BUT* for my parents with my dad in his 80s who has to drive 200 miles to visit me. 160 miles of which are essentially on 1 single road (M6/A14) even if it only worked on motorways and dual carriageways , so long as it was reliable and allowed him to switch off it would be a bit of a god send.
when people get to a certain age, 40 miles driving is a hell of a lot easier than 200 miles.
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