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650/month is some serious electric usage. Is that consistent throughout the year?

For context, the average U.K. household usage is under 300kwh/month on a dual fuel.

The difference between winter and summer for me is pretty negligible with all LED lighting. The only other difference is central heating pumps, again they are pretty low usage.
 
All LED lights, kinda hard to tell tbh, our last meter broke and didn't give readings for over a year during Covid. As it happened they assumed 1/10th of our current usage, I did wonder if something was configured incorrectly, but I can see the correct numbers when I charge the car. I actually spent half an hour turning stuff off at the consumer unit and doing some recon!
 
Girlfriend happened to have a couple of old bills stored, so I've worked out we were annual usage of roughly 2500kWh elec and 11,000kWh gas for both of us and the dog. However, that was in a 1900s Victorian terrace with next to nothing in terms of insulation. New house is a 2017 build with cavity wall, slightly smaller rooms with much lower ceilings, upstairs/downstairs split heating, and (we believe) 270mm loft insulation so we're hoping that will make a dent in usage, though I'm really not sure how much I should estimate as saving on gas at the new place. Anyone any ideas?

I'm working out my sums based on 2250kWh day/1350 night (EV charging at 1100kWh and shifting washing machine overnight at about 250kWh) on elec, and 9000kWh gas (but I'm really hoping the gas is this low thanks to how well insulated the house is).

Monthly on (current rate) GO Elec + BG Apr 2022 Price Cap Gas = about £140
Monthly on BG Apr 2022 Price Cap Elec + Gas = about £158.

Not much in it, and the gap will close a lot if the Octopus GO standing rate goes from 24p to the price cap 50.27p. This is, of course, all estimates and I'll get a better picture once we're in. On the downside, we're moving in spring so will see relatively low gas usage before the Oct 2022 price cap increase which looks like it'll be killer on gas...

Future's a bit bleak for the wallets, isn't it? :(

EDIT: Put wrong figure in for old house's gas usage
 
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FerretBoy said:
I wish I could get my electricity usage that low, think I'm hitting 650kWh a month with no heating. So only ovens, washing machine, dishwasher, tumble dryer, kettle, shower etc. That's before I add on the car charging.

Literally starting to wonder if the neighbours have wired in..
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We are not far from that ~600Kw a month now we're WFH, screens on all day, computers, routers, but to be honest our standby burn is about 180w which is a lot more that it used to be but some of the hardware we now have in that house consumes a fair bit in use like 10G switches, NAS etc, I could probably do more to get that down, probably our main one is the electric heater in the Attic office, the induction hob and the Dryer.
 
sandys said:
We are not far from that ~600Kw a month now we're WFH, screens on all day, computers, routers, but to be honest our standby burn is about 180w which is a lot more that it used to be but some of the hardware we now have in that house consumes a fair bit in use like 10G switches, NAS etc, I could probably do more to get that down, probably our main one is the electric heater in the Attic office, the induction hob and the Dryer.
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Yeah that makes me feel a bit better, I have a bunch of network stuff, server etc. Was an eye opener when we used 950kWh in Jan, including the car.
 
Just checked and we did 6570 kWh in a year here including EV charging. No idea how much of that was EV but probably 1,000 or so. Sounds like now our fix has ended then Octopus Go is a no brainer...
 
Ricochet J said:
We're moving toward an electric car market. Overall, the number of electric vehicles on UK roads is still a tiny proportion of the total number of registered cars. Out of 26 million cars, around 37,500 are EV. So still a way to go.
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When you started this EV Thread in 2018,:) ev market was small. Tesla Model 3 was the best-selling electric car in the UK in 2021

Number of new electric car registrations on road
https://heycar.co.uk/blog/electric-cars-statistics-and-projections

In June 2021 there is 39.2 million vehicles on UK road.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...e-licensing-statistics-april-to-june-2021.pdf
 
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Looking at leasing a 208-e. I currently have a charger in the garage that came with the house that is a 3 pin one. I think I can get away with a combination of using this and using a charger at work when available but I just want to explore the possibility of getting one installed at home. It may be a case of once you go electric you don't go back so it might be worth it over all.

How much would I be looking at for a home charger install?
 
utajoker said:
Looking at leasing a 208-e. I currently have a charger in the garage that came with the house that is a 3 pin one. I think I can get away with a combination of using this and using a charger at work when available but I just want to explore the possibility of getting one installed at home. It may be a case of once you go electric you don't go back so it might be worth it over all.

How much would I be looking at for a home charger install?
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My Zappi install cost me £749 (that was including the £350 grant, which you won’t get). My install was about as simple as possible as well, less than 1.5m from the consumer unit through one external wall.

In other news, 44.5 hours until I collect my Model 3 Performance.
 
utajoker said:
How much would I be looking at for a home charger install?
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It’s a question that doesn’t really have an answer.

You can get a basic untethered charge point for as little as £300 plus fitting. Then ramps up from there. I’d recommend you get a charge point (cable built in), after that it’s really down to you to decide what features you do or don’t need.

You don’t need an approved electrician to fit it, only to claim the grant that doesn’t really exist for house owners any more.

However, given nearly all charge points to date have been fitted by approved contractors, many regular electricians are not well read with the requirements and the plethora of different charge point out there these days. I’d just double check they know what they are doing with the point that you fit.

The other option is to get a 32a commando plug installed and then use a 7kw capable portable ‘charger’ (EVSE). The costs are about the same all told as you’ll need to buy the EVSE.

Lots of people say you can get away with the 3 pin and I’d agree, however, I’d strongly recommend you get one as on a 3 pin you can’t really take advantage of things like Octopus Go with their 4 hour cheap period for 7.5p which could cut your energy cost considerably.
 
Basher said:
Friend at work has just ordered the i4M50 for the same price as I got my Polestar. Mega jealous.
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Sorry for replying to an old comment, but do you know how? I'm struggling to get any kind of discount. Best I've managed so far is £2k off with a build slot within six months.

I'm really in two minds at the minute. I've ordered a model 3 (pre price rise) but after sitting in one recently, I wasn't blown away. The main thing is that the seats felt really cheap and nasty. In contrast, when I sat in an M50 I was blown away.

There's pros and cons for each.
 
TheOracle said:
Sorry for replying to an old comment, but do you know how? I'm struggling to get any kind of discount. Best I've managed so far is £2k off with a build slot within six months.
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do edrive40's have shorter waiting list with their reduced, -1motor, semiconductor demand, also whether Basher was talking same as P2 lease price or same RRP.

AORUS said:
Why is lime green interior stitching so popular this year! It's not just in this new Skoda it's also in my EV Peugeot car.
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did you have no choice ? ... but I think in the UK there is a changing style for interior house decoration - strong sombre colours in living rooms so maybe car interiors are sympathetic.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
It’s a question that doesn’t really have an answer.

You can get a basic untethered charge point for as little as £300 plus fitting. Then ramps up from there. I’d recommend you get a charge point (cable built in), after that it’s really down to you to decide what features you do or don’t need.

You don’t need an approved electrician to fit it, only to claim the grant that doesn’t really exist for house owners any more.

However, given nearly all charge points to date have been fitted by approved contractors, many regular electricians are not well read with the requirements and the plethora of different charge point out there these days. I’d just double check they know what they are doing with the point that you fit.

The other option is to get a 32a commando plug installed and then use a 7kw capable portable ‘charger’ (EVSE). The costs are about the same all told as you’ll need to buy the EVSE.

Lots of people say you can get away with the 3 pin and I’d agree, however, I’d strongly recommend you get one as on a 3 pin you can’t really take advantage of things like Octopus Go with their 4 hour cheap period for 7.5p which could cut your energy cost considerably.
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Unless your car can set the charging times. My BMW allows you set it so it (mainly) charges during the 4 hour 5p slot. So no need for a smart charger for me.
 
Greebo said:
Unless your car can set the charging times. My BMW allows you set it so it (mainly) charges during the 4 hour 5p slot. So no need for a smart charger for me.
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Yes, most cars allow you to do that but there can be more to a smart charger than timers such as energy measurement/tracking, integration with energy supplier tariffs (Octopus Agile, intelegent etc), solar and other home energy management applications Etc.

If you don’t want or need any of that stuff then a cheap box on the wall is good enough for you.

However, I was mainly referring to the issue that 3 pin plugs are nobly 2kw meaning you can only get what 8kw into the battery in the 4 hour window instead of nearly 28 with a 7kw capable EVSE.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Yes, most cars allow you to do that but there can be more to a smart charger than timers such as energy measurement/tracking, integration with energy supplier tariffs (Octopus Agile, intelegent etc), solar and other home energy management applications Etc.

If you don’t want or need any of that stuff then a cheap box on the wall is good enough for you.

However, I was mainly referring to the issue that 3 pin plugs are nobly 2kw meaning you can only get what 8kw into the battery in the 4 hour window instead of nearly 28 with a 7kw capable EVSE.
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That is a very good point.
 
Quite impressed with my x5 45e on my run to work.

A lot of my journey is through villages or hilly country roads so seem to get quite a bit of regen. There is a section in the middle of the route of dual carriageway where the engine kicks but a section in the middle of that dual carriageway is a 50mph speed limit so it drops back to all electric while I cruise through there for 4 miles, then EV all of the rest of the way to work.

21 of the 30 miles each day is done on pure electric. I can currently get to and from work on a full charge. Av mpg is impressive at 64.8 (although I saw it drop to 8mpg when I pulled out onto the dual carriage until I got up to speed!) and so is the 3.4kW per mile on the pure EV.

Not bad for a 2.5 tonne barge! 15,000 miles per year will be done like this. I reckon the savings are between £1000 and £2000 per annum over my old V6 diesel car. They would be even more if I went full EV but I really need them to come out with something with a decent towing weight.

 
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