EV general discussion

FoxEye said:
Quick q, as I've recently lost my car and need another.

How many of you would consider a used electric car if you didn't have on-street parking? I.e. my garage is 10 mins walk away and there is no power there either. And I cannot park anywhere near my house (literally cannot, not "don't want to").

Would be entirely dependent on the small amount of chargers nearby and whether they were working on the day or not..
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A petrol will be much easier to live with in your situation. I'm only considering EV because I can hopefully get a charger fitted.
 
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jpaul said:
Isn't some of it down to front/rear wheel drive ev - you want the charger close to the place where cables from the batteries are combined&routed to invertor/motor;
(and with the 800v design they use the invertor in charging circuit) ... so P=I^2R

e: V 101 explanation I^2R of primary concern are the power losses/joule heating in the cables so you want to make them short which obviously reduces weight/cost
to wit - didn't the latest audi ppe q8? have plugs on both sides
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No it’s where the charger is… shorter AC cables then.

PPE isn’t out yet, E tron MLB start now Q8 and also the J1 Taycan and e tron GT is AC only on both sides, DC single. Front grill is hard on performance EVs as it blocks airflow. No perfect answer really.
 
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Uther said:
A petrol will be much easier to live with in your situation. I'm only considering EV because I can hopefully get a charger fitted.
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You don't need a charger to benefit fyi. I've been granny charging for 12months and it's been no issue.
 
FoxEye said:
Quick q, as I've recently lost my car and need another.

How many of you would consider a used electric car if you didn't have on-street parking? I.e. my garage is 10 mins walk away and there is no power there either. And I cannot park anywhere near my house (literally cannot, not "don't want to").

Would be entirely dependent on the small amount of chargers nearby and whether they were working on the day or not..
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That would be a hard no from me, especially with that milage.
 
FoxEye said:
Quick q, as I've recently lost my car and need another.

How many of you would consider a used electric car if you didn't have on-street parking? I.e. my garage is 10 mins walk away and there is no power there either. And I cannot park anywhere near my house (literally cannot, not "don't want to").

Would be entirely dependent on the small amount of chargers nearby and whether they were working on the day or not..
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Depends how many chargers locally, and how local they are. E.g. if you could reliably stick it on a supermarket charger 10 minutes walk away for a couple of hours then fine, but otherwise I wouldn't bother
 
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Haggisman said:
Depends how many chargers locally, and how local they are. E.g. if you could reliably stick it on a supermarket charger 10 minutes walk away for a couple of hours then fine, but otherwise I wouldn't bother
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There's a handful that are very local, but I'm not sure what contention is like, or reliability. I'll stick to a cheap petrol for now. In a 5-10 years things should be very different.
 
You should check the likes of CoCharger/Zap Home etc. I let other people use my drive and charger for actual cost, and although I don't have that many users it isn't unused.
 
jklc said:
Is it safe long term? Haven't made the switch to electric myself yet but I was looking into doing the same too whenever I do.
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No reason why it shouldn't be. Some folk claim plugs aren't meant to draw that much over a long period of time but they're rated as such and have plenty of protections built in.
 
It’s the socket where any issues arise. Just make sure it’s decent and not old/worn as to meet minium standards it’s doesn’t cover repeated insertion and continuous 10A load. In the context of “folks” that’s actually the not too demanding British Standard they are designed to. And there a variance on products as ever of course.
 
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Interview with German economic minister this morning on r4 - maybe negotiation on id3/4 pricing is possible, oversupply.

July18 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/german-car-companies-suffer-heavy-electric-shock-xf2wdj80s
Volkswagen, BMW and Mercedes-Benz were already struggling with long-term problems, ranging from rising energy and labour costs in their central European heartlands to malfunctioning software and a tricky pivot away from the internal combustion engine. Initially they were able to ride out the effects of the pandemic thanks to a backlog of orders, but a recovery seems to be running out of steam.

The three collectively made half a million fewer cars at their European factories between January and May than they had done over the same months in 2019, according to figures released by MarkLines, an analytics service, to the Handelsblatt newspaper. This equated to a fall of nearly 20 per cent.

Volkswagen, in particular, appears to be suffering. Of 93,000 vehicles in the battery-electric ID range made in Europe over the first five months of the year, only 73,000 were sold, according to the data.

Thomas Peckruhn, vice-president of the Central Association of German Vehicle Dealers, said a relatively healthy number of new registrations was belied by a darker picture emerging from order books. “New orders for electric cars are down by 30 per cent to 50 per cent on where they were a year ago,” Peckruhn told Handelsblatt
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I hate the way these are always written intimating the blame is the EVs. ..... what are the orders of theirndiesel or petrol ICE cars like (I have no idea maybe they are fine?)
but maybe it is because things have moved on and the ID3 isn't all that any more ...

for similar price you can get a cupra born which is essentially the same car but by all accounts just better

or going the other way you can get an MG4 and save 5k.

for those who have range anxiety or want the extra charging infrastructure and for less money to charge....the Tesla with its infrastructure is just a safer bet than the ID4 (despite as a car personally I prefer the ID4).
 
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bigmike20vt said:
I hate the way these are always written intimating the blame is the EVs. .
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I guess I misrepresented article - didn't feel justified to paste it all since theoretically in a paywall - title even more click-batey German car companies suffer heavy electric shock
- the article is predominately about chinese ev's taking german market share.
which was reiterated on separate bbc interview this morning.
 
tell us something more interesting then - what did you average W/m on your european i-pace trip with higher french autoroute speeds.
e:and average Kwh price
 
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jklc said:
Is it safe long term? Haven't made the switch to electric myself yet but I was looking into doing the same too whenever I do.
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I've granny charged my Nissan for 7 years. It's all wired up properly with decent cable, an RCD and a wifi controlled breaker with energy monitoring.

I 'usually' granny charge the Audi as well. By having it plugged into the slower charger means I can utilize any spare solar energy without having to go swapping cables around.

I only use the Ohme if I need to add more than granny charging would during the cheap overnight period.
 
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jpaul said:
Volkswagen, in particular, appears to be suffering. Of 93,000 vehicles in the battery-electric ID range made in Europe over the first five months of the year, only 73,000 were sold, according to the data.
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Well, I'm not surprised at all. Having recently been looking round at EVs, the ID range was the least desirable out of all the VW group EVs.
 
Classic Blue Theme said:
No reason why it shouldn't be. Some folk claim plugs aren't meant to draw that much over a long period of time but they're rated as such and have plenty of protections built in.
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Granny chargers have heat sensors in their plugs. So there are protections built in for this. What should be avoided is extension cables - which bypass this protection.
 
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