EV general discussion

dLockers said:
I think his point is that when demand for petrol becomes near-0, how much will it cost for those of us that still want our petrol cars.
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A freaking fortune is the answer.
steve5424 said:
That will be years and years away
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Years yes, within 3 decades, almost certainly, probably more like 2. In two decades, the last ICE car to have been sold will already be 8 years old, if anyone is even selling ICE in a significant volume by then which I doubt they will.

The demand for vehicle fuel is already reducing significantly in places like Norway, down over 9% in the last year alone.

The problem is once EV's get to the tipping point, you will also find it a lot more difficult to get fuel. Retailers start to fold and the margin the remaining sites will need to charge to stay afloat will rise significantly because volumes will be collapsing. Post 2035, every car that hits the breakers/scrapper is a potential customer lost as it can't be replaced.
 
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Supply and demand. Why do People think low demand means high prices ? refinery’s aren’t closing overnight
 
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demand won't drop plenty of other places to sell oil who don't care about the environment and besides, OPEC controls its price regardless of what is going on.
 
Opec controls oil price. Not the products of oil refining. I’m talking about demand of the product
 
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Simon said:
Supply and demand. Why do People think low demand means high prices ? refinery’s aren’t closing overnight
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Oil works on shifting huge volumes, as volume drops, each part of the chain, including refining will have to add more and more margin to cover the overhead.

Even if you got the oil for free, the final product will probably cost more than it does now because all the overhead of keeping the production process running will be split over a fraction of the volume.

We are not talking about in the next few years but it’s inevitable that a proportion of the oil infrastructure will end up getting mothballed as the demand from cars drops off, particularly in this country where it’s expensive to run.
 
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petrols a lower(another) fraction than aviation fuel kerosene , flying could be similarly taxed if the govt did something onerous with petrol by 2035
- shell will sell greener petrol (& plastics) once they have have there green hydrogen (NL) supplying EU refinery plants
 
Green as in power consumption of fractional distillation…? it’s still using oil.

Ignorance again is incredible. Surely every one knows the global use of oil is purely for UK forecourt… oh wait.
 
kitkat9933 said:
public charging prices shooting up.

So glad I got an ev for the cost benefits
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Where do you find reliable info on current public charging costs? I couldn't see it on Zap Map but I'm not a regular user.

I've got an interest in this as I have half an eye on a Jeep Avenger or Renault 5 depending how much they end up costing.
 
Zap map or directly with the network. Zap map probably isn’t up to date as it requires users to update it a lot of the time.

Can you charge at home? If so, then to be honest the public charging costs are sort of irrelevant as you’ll barley use them.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Zap map or directly with the network. Zap map probably isn’t up to date as it requires users to update it a lot of the time.

Can you charge at home? If so, then to be honest the public charging costs are sort of irrelevant as you’ll barley use them.
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Sorry, forgot to add - the reason for interest in public charging costs is I live in a second floor flat at the moment so no home charging :D
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Oil works on shifting huge volumes, as volume drops, each part of the chain, including refining will have to add more and more margin to cover the overhead.

Even if you got the oil for free, the final product will probably cost more than it does now because all the overhead of keeping the production process running will be split over a fraction of the volume.

We are not talking about in the next few years but it’s inevitable that a proportion of the oil infrastructure will end up getting mothballed as the demand from cars drops off, particularly in this country where it’s expensive to run.
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Everyone one will still need all the other products from refining oil. It's not a simple case of getting rid of petrol. Air travel, plus everything else will get inherently more expensive because no one will be buying petrol anymore so all other products from the refining process will need to go up.
 
adam cool dude said:
Everyone one will still need all the other products from refining oil. It's not a simple case of getting rid of petrol. Air travel, plus everything else will get inherently more expensive because no one will be buying petrol anymore so all other products from the refining process will need to go up.
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Don't forget the last mile will become even more unprofitable so fewer stations. I mean we all know the answer - petrol will become increasingly expensive and only the poor will really suffer.
 
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