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b0rn2sk8 said:
There are subscription free options but they are only available to the smallest of the small and the transaction fees are very high circa 1.75%. They wouldn’t also integrate with any other system, it’s just basic way of taking money.

If you want a fully integrated payment system, you have to pay. It’s not just the processing of the payment you are paying for, it’s licensing of the software integration and support.

I’d suggest increasing your hardware costs by 20-30% plus all the overhead is pretty significant IMO. You’d also hope they are not just installing one.

This is just the beginning, there are already >40,000 AC chargers deployed in the U.K. Even if you are being prudent and it only costs £20/month per unit, that’s £800k/month, someone has got to pay for that and it’s not going to be the shareholders of the charging companies.

Eventually we are probably going to need a few million of these installed. You can see how those costs are going to scale. You can see why the charging companies are trying to avoid it and use lower cost methods if possible.

It’s not significant when you are installing a rapid charger that costs £100k.
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This has a simple solution.

You install your multiple charge points.
You connect them to a central "pay point" (or several of these depending how many chargers you've installed).
Your "pay point" has the contactless facility to take payment, and then starts the charge on the charger selected by the driver.

Yes, there are still costs involved, but instead of needing to pay for 20, 50, 100, etc contactless systems, you have 2-3.
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
It was in work hours as part of our technical partnership with BP. Free charge and Starbucks opening was a training day for them so the real load test was the staff making drinks fast enough :cry:

Which part of 'before it opened' didnt you read?

They didnt have cups of sarcasm im afraid though so couldnt swallow that... rumour is non of us drove at 63mph on the M42 aswell!
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Clearly came across wrong, that wasn't sarcasm. If my boss told the office we're all going on a day trip to Exeter, I'd be right up for it. :p
 
Jonnycoupe said:
To be fair it was opened before the final exeter was complete and Exeter has 2 50kW at best, not 6 im sure. No doubt the 7kW units are what makes it a sizable hub anyway and the fact its usable by all EVs.

Atleast it has canopies and with 100kW of solar. I used it before it opened in August with 30 IPACES in total load testings the site pulling 2.72MW peak which was impressive, TV crew there for a Ch4 documentary too so will be interesting to see when that is aired.
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More of a hub than a motorway car park if you ask me.
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So nice to see so many well made Austrian cars <3
 
So then…. Cyber truck anyone?

I’ll pass but it’s an interesting vehicle’. Putting the design aside there are a few bits worthy of a mention.

V2H - a first for tesla and presumably something that will trickle down across the range in time. 11kw output which is tasty and it uses existing hardware which is even better. If you already have a tesla wall connector and gateway installed, you are good to go.

4wheel steer by wire - is that a first in a ‘mainstream’ vehicle for consumers?

Range extender - The normal range looks to be the same as the F150 but you can get a extra battery (presumed to be 30-40 kWh) to put in the bed to give it another 120 miles (epa) range. Probably not required for the U.K. unless you tow a lot but interesting nonetheless.

Cyberbeast - yeh that’s just bonkers.
 
It aint coming to the UK thats about all, the exoskelton idea has gone too - typical monocoque with cladding.

Matt Watson is funny in this :cry:

 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
So then…. Cyber truck anyone?

I’ll pass but it’s an interesting vehicle’. Putting the design aside there are a few bits worthy of a mention.

V2H - a first for tesla and presumably something that will trickle down across the range in time. 11kw output which is tasty and it uses existing hardware which is even better. If you already have a tesla wall connector and gateway installed, you are good to go.

4wheel steer by wire - is that a first in a ‘mainstream’ vehicle for consumers?

Range extender - The normal range looks to be the same as the F150 but you can get a extra battery (presumed to be 30-40 kWh) to put in the bed to give it another 120 miles (epa) range. Probably not required for the U.K. unless you tow a lot but interesting nonetheless.

Cyberbeast - yeh that’s just bonkers.
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It's a completely useless car for the UK but I love that it was it made. Who really needs bullet proof body panels ?!?! :D
I watched the launch event last night - the drag race was defo a cool idea :)

 
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Yes - did Musk consciously not engineer it for EU market and safety requirements ... vs Ford lightning, say. ...
or, how much additional margin does he make by just having unattractive slab sides

... like those earlier oxford trials - company kerb2go want to sell a pavement slot for charger cable, planning permission etc - £999 !

Kerbside charging channel trialled by West Berkshire Council​


[nec: what the markets authority had said about charger competition
if they had benefiited from rapid charging fund £950M, pre-dating this years chancellor fund, then nearby competition cant be disallowed
Open letter to motorway service area operators and electric vehiclechargepoint operators
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SDK^ said:
It's a completely useless car for the UK but I love that it was it made. Who really needs bullet proof body panels ?!?! :D
I watched the launch event last night - the drag race was defo a cool idea :)

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Haha that is badass
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
It’s made in America, for America.

I’m not sure it needs any more explanation but also consider it is the same country where you can buy Kevlar lined back packs for school children….
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For sure - I remember shopping in Florida at one of the larger supermarkets - one section was selling car & truck tyres, next to that big industrial power tools, ......then guns !
We went to a shooting range and with no experience of firing any guns were handed shotguns, M16's and a Taurus Raging Bull. All we had to do was leave our Passports at the desk :D :p
 
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dlockers said:
Haha that is badass
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Weird flex - you just have to pick a car that won't beat it. Yes the truck has immense power and torque and we know electric vehicles out-accelerate ICE but I'm not sure what they're trying to prove. If they did it with a Chiron then I might be more impressed, but then it wouldn't have won...

And no, I'm not jealous as my Polestar only has a single 220bhp motor...:D
 
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