EV general discussion

[DarrenM343]

Well that's ~1/3 of car owners who can't charge at home.
Fine whilst EVs are a novelty, but if nothing gets built, that 1/3 becomes an increasingly frustrated market who can't charge their cars
And yeah, nothing is being built down here.
I guess 1/3 of people are strongly incentivised to keep their ICEs, and I don't think there's any realistic chance the govt could ask 1/3 of drivers to just stop using their vehicles. In 2035 or... ever.

One incentive to ditch their ICE's might be petrol stations shutting down or being converted as more switch to EV's, making refilling a tank even less convenient . A lot can change between now and 2035, including ways the 1/3rd will be pursuaded to move to an EV. By then newer EV's will only need a 10 min charge probably for 300 miles of range so converting petrol stations to charging area's would probably work well

 

[FoxEye]

What’s your source for there’s nothing being built down there? Looks to be as much as anywhere else in the country.

Source's will usually be a gut feeling, a newspaper article, or his sons, girlfriends, dads, wife's, brothers, dogs, ice-cream man told them.

I live here, I drive around regularly, I have two working eyeballs. What more do you want?
Maybe they're building them all underground in hidden bunkers? Short of that, I don't believe they are building them beyond (as I already said) putting a couple in every supermarket car park. Certainly not where I live.
Not literally "nothing", but not much, and certainly not enough if there were to be any kind of scaling up of EV ownership.

 

[VincentHanna]

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I have no problem with public fast chargers costing more money at 90%+ to be honest. A lot of cars have apps you can monitor the charge on.

Test drove the GV70 electrified today. The version they drove to me was fully loaded with matt green paint, which looked surprisingly nice in real life (not sure pictures do it justice)

The HUD is so clear. Last time I used one was on a rental in America in 2014 and that was decent but this was another level.

Unfortunately it only arrived with 38% SOC, so I'm not sure how limited the power was - It didn't feel like a slouch by any means, but my Polestar 2 DM 350KW still felt a bit quicker.

Got a quick snap as they were driving off

Ended up signing for a stock GV70 today in Vik Black metallic through work

3+23 years.
12k per annum

Sadly it didn't have everything I wanted but it was still coming out £200 per month cheaper than a 310kW 82kWh Polestar 2 Pilot/Plus.

Innovation Pack

• 12.3'' 3D Cluster TFT Display
• Head-Up Display
• Highway Driving Assist II (HDA II)
• Quad LED Headlamps with Intelligent Front Lighting System (IFS)
• Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA-JX)
• Blind-Spot View Monitor (BVM)
• Reverse PCA (Reverse Parking Collision-Avoidance Assist)
• Remote Smart Parking Assist (RSPA)
• Surround View Monitor (SVM)

Convenience Pack

• Automatically dimming Exterior Mirrors
• Heated Seats (Front)
• Heated Steering Wheel
• Rear Air Condition: Auto Temp. Control (3rd Zone)
• Premium Cabin Filter

Comfort Pack

• Ergo Motion Seats with massage function (driver- and passenger-seat)
• Electric Cushion Extension (driver- and passenger-seat)
• Electric Side Bolster (driver- and passenger-seat)
• Lower Cushion Air Support System (Driver)
• Ventilated Seats (Front)
• Touch Power Seat Adjustment Switch
• Electric Lumbar Support (Passenger)

But - No Lexicon Premium audio, Standard Leather instead of quilted Nappa and no panoramic sunroof.

I imagine the sound system will be pretty naff. That also means no noise cancellation

Costs the business Just over £8000 a year to drive a £72,000 car though, and that doesn't include the money that comes back off your corporation tax bill. Seems like a no-brainer compared with PCP (which people rarely pay the balloon for anyway)

 

[b0rn2sk8]

BBC cheerleading a a whistle blower tesla employee on autopilot ills but not providing any details
original data is interesting

Tesla-Files nähren Zweifel an Elon Musks Versprechen

Insider haben dem Handelsblatt 100 Gigabyte Daten zugespielt, die aus Teslas IT-System stammen sollen. Sie legen nahe, dass der Autohersteller größere technische Probleme hat als bislang gedacht. Tesla spricht von Datenklau.

hbapp.handelsblatt.com

The BBC article on this is very vague.

I’m not even seeing any revelations here, it’s a matter of public record that Tesla’s automated driver functions suffer from phantom braking (and others to a lesser or greater extent). There are public forums discussing it daily be that Tesla’s autopilot or MG’s horrific lane keep assist.

Genuine question, what makes this person a whistleblower rather than a disgruntled employee who stole confidential data from their employer on the way out the door?

From what I understand, the line is very fine at times and a whistleblower should have a reasonable expectation that they uncovering law breaking.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

I live here, I drive around regularly, I have two working eyeballs. What more do you want?
Maybe they're building them all underground in hidden bunkers? Short of that, I don't believe they are building them beyond (as I already said) putting a couple in every supermarket car park. Certainly not where I live.
Not literally "nothing", but not much, and certainly not enough if there were to be any kind of scaling up of EV ownership.

I own an EV and use public charge points but that doesn’t mean I know where they all are in my local area or could even spot them when out and about.

Often the are a tiny box on a wall tucked away in the corner of a car park. Very few have petrol stations style signage which says look at me I’m an EV charger.

What you see in front of you is just anecdotal experience, have a look at something like zap map which lists most charge points on a convenient map.

What town/village do you live in?

 

[Jonnycoupe]

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you think a touchscreen is a viable interface for an older less dexterous - irregular smartphone/app person ,
why couldn't they make the charger payment system predominately executed in the car
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BBC cheerleading a a whistle blower tesla employee on autopilot ills but not providing any details
original data is interesting

Tesla-Files nähren Zweifel an Elon Musks Versprechen

Insider haben dem Handelsblatt 100 Gigabyte Daten zugespielt, die aus Teslas IT-System stammen sollen. Sie legen nahe, dass der Autohersteller größere technische Probleme hat als bislang gedacht. Tesla spricht von Datenklau.

hbapp.handelsblatt.com

Spoiler: excerpt

May 25, 2023 - 7:00 p.m
Berlin, Düsseldorf, New York, Tokyo. Building self-driving vehicles is for Teslaa question of existence. CEO Elon Musk said in June 2022 that developing a functioning autopilot would determine “whether Tesla is worth a lot of money or practically zero.”
...

Insiders have leaked 100 gigabytes of data to Handelsblatt, which are said to have come from Tesla's IT system. They suggest that the car manufacturer has greater technical problems than previously thought. Tesla speaks of data theft.

The Tesla files contain more than 2,400 complaints about self-acceleration and more than 1,500 problems with braking functions, including 139 cases of unwanted emergency braking and 383 reported phantom braking as a result of false collision warnings. The number of crashes is more than 1,000. A table of incidents involving driving assistance systems in which customers expressed safety concerns contains more than 3,000 entries.

..
The Tesla continued to accelerate. According to the data, the accelerator pedal registered a pressure of 95 percent when the car hit the rear of a Toyota Sienna. Brown drove off the highway, reportedly without braking. When the Tesla raced toward the intersection and crashed into the Toyota Tundra, the accelerator pedal reported that it was 100 percent depressed
.....
One of them made headlines in January 2023. The reason was Ashok Elluswamy's statement about a fatal Tesla accident. Elluswamy, the head of software development for Tesla's Autopilot, was asked about a 2016 commercial.
The clip showed a Model X seemingly driving completely autonomously through California. At the beginning, Tesla displayed in white letters on a black background: “The person in the driver's seat is only sitting there for legal reasons. He doesn’t do anything, the car drives itself.”
During his interrogation, Elluswamy stated that Tesla's Autopilot team designed and recorded a "demonstration of the system's capabilities" at Musk's request. But there were problems.
During tests, the driver had to intervene several times to avoid accidents. Tesla has decided to take precautionary measures. The car ended up traveling on a predetermined route, Elluswamy said. A parking scene in which the car drove into a fence was also cut out.
..

On February 16, 2023, the US transportation authority NHTSA asked Tesla to update 362,000 cars with the FSD software. The agency said problems with the system “increase the risk of an accident.” It is possible that the cars exceed the speed limit on their own and drive in an “unlawful or unpredictable manner” – for example “through an intersection”.
The Handelsblatt has a presumably internal presentation from May 2018. It is part of the Tesla files and apparently shows how an engineer lists problem areas for his colleagues during an error analysis. There were therefore ten categories. The most sensitive ones included unintentional braking and acceleration of vehicles. This affects “the safe operation of the vehicle,” the presentation says. Next to it is the note: “Dangerous – direct risk to the safety of the customer without warning.”
...

Tesla has long used a front radar with a lower resolution. For the system there was “a car in front of me – yes or no”, nothing in between, says Zimmermann. When the car went around a tight curve, the radar no longer saw the car in front and accelerated.
..
In May 2021, Tesla removed the radar sensor. The task of traffic monitoring is now only carried out by the cameras installed in the car. Artificial intelligence evaluates your videos in real time, compares the data with maps and data from other Tesla vehicles and gives the system appropriate driving instructions. Zimmermann says that the problem with acceleration is likely to get smaller with every new car.
The data from the Tesla files also suggests this. Since the company has started using the cameras, it has apparently happened less often that the cars accelerate on their own. But while complaints about unwanted acceleration in the data package decreased, a new phenomenon emerged: phantom braking.

You mentioned Israel.

The most tenuous stuff there, what’s data got to do with EVs. Mind melting posts as ever Pope Confusion.

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I live here, I drive around regularly, I have two working eyeballs. What more do you want?
Maybe they're building them all underground in hidden bunkers? Short of that, I don't believe they are building them beyond (as I already said) putting a couple in every supermarket car park. Certainly not where I live.
Not literally "nothing", but not much, and certainly not enough if there were to be any kind of scaling up of EV ownership.

Bodmin has had a recent large 12x InstaVolt site. Camborne has Osprey, InstaVolt and Tesla. The 4 shell at Hayle finally open too.

 

[Haggisman]

Eugh, took the Niro in for the first MOT this morning, ended up with a manual Stonic as a courtesy car (in bright yellow... got nothing against yellow cars if it's something decent and sporty, but on a small budget hatchback/crossover "thing".... *puke*).

Forgot how horrible ICE cars were to drive, missing my flappy paddles, one-pedal drive, and instant torque

 

[lordrobs]

Eugh, took the Niro in for the first MOT this morning, ended up with a manual Stonic as a courtesy car (in bright yellow... got nothing against yellow cars if it's something decent and sporty, but on a small budget hatchback/crossover "thing".... *puke*).

Forgot how horrible ICE cars were to drive, missing my flappy paddles, one-pedal drive, and instant torque

I'm sure you'll cope for the duration of an MOT...

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Bodmin has had a recent large 12x InstaVolt site. Camborne has Osprey, InstaVolt and Tesla. The 4 shell at Hayle finally open too.

Tesla is about to be opened in Fraddon and there is a doubling of the site at Lifton also under construction. Both will be open to all.

 

[Haggisman]

I'm sure you'll cope for the duration of an MOT...

I'm trying my best to, can't make any promises

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Tesla is about to be opened in Fraddon and there is a doubling of the site at Lifton also under construction. Both will be open to all.

Errm thanks. But let’s point to the stuff now he might have seen rather than the future ones. You are opening yourself up for counters to the point of few available on Cornwall he was making when you cite non open sites…

PS 9 Ionity also planned at Bodmin

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Well he did also say nothing was being built too which also isn’t true

 

[SDK^]

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Ended up signing for a stock GV70 today in Vik Black metallic through work

3+23 years.
12k per annum

Sadly it didn't have everything I wanted but it was still coming out £200 per month cheaper than a 310kW 82kWh Polestar 2 Pilot/Plus.

Innovation Pack

• 12.3'' 3D Cluster TFT Display
• Head-Up Display
• Highway Driving Assist II (HDA II)
• Quad LED Headlamps with Intelligent Front Lighting System (IFS)
• Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA-JX)
• Blind-Spot View Monitor (BVM)
• Reverse PCA (Reverse Parking Collision-Avoidance Assist)
• Remote Smart Parking Assist (RSPA)
• Surround View Monitor (SVM)

Convenience Pack

• Automatically dimming Exterior Mirrors
• Heated Seats (Front)
• Heated Steering Wheel
• Rear Air Condition: Auto Temp. Control (3rd Zone)
• Premium Cabin Filter

Comfort Pack

• Ergo Motion Seats with massage function (driver- and passenger-seat)
• Electric Cushion Extension (driver- and passenger-seat)
• Electric Side Bolster (driver- and passenger-seat)
• Lower Cushion Air Support System (Driver)
• Ventilated Seats (Front)
• Touch Power Seat Adjustment Switch
• Electric Lumbar Support (Passenger)

But - No Lexicon Premium audio, Standard Leather instead of quilted Nappa and no panoramic sunroof.

I imagine the sound system will be pretty naff. That also means no noise cancellation

Costs the business Just over £8000 a year to drive a £72,000 car though, and that doesn't include the money that comes back off your corporation tax bill. Seems like a no-brainer compared with PCP (which people rarely pay the balloon for anyway)

That is still a decent spec

 

[FoxEye]

Well he did also say nothing was being built too which also isn’t true

It's nowhere near enough. Even if there are 500 charging terminals in Cornwall, that's not enough (~200 sites). The paltry amount they are apparently building is not enough.

If they are serious about ramping up EV adoption, every analyst and their wife is saying we are not doing enough.

When you factor in charging times vs refuelling time, and factor in how often charging points are out of service, it's not even close to being enough.

I had a look at ZapMap btw and it didn't show me any chargers I wasn't aware of. There are 3 sites within walking distance and about 10 sites within 10 miles. Of those, several were the of the lowest output power (<10kW) and had multiple comments about how poor the availability was.

Shall we talk about the contention ratios those numbers indicate? (e: There's tens of thousands of people in the town where I live).

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Where do you live then? I’ve been plenty times to Cornwall in my car and I haven’t found it an issue, granted EV use is massively going up.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Yup, no concerns about traveling to and around Cornwall either here.

You are essentially arguing there needs to be 500 chickens before you get any eggs.

Also the number of people that live in an area isn’t necessarily representative of how much EV charging infrastructure is required. This number is going to change dramatically between every settlement in the U.K. Cornwall is very rural and it is going to have a much higher % of properties which can install private charging than a major metropolitan area like Greater Manchester or Birmingham and their surrounding suburbs.

There may be say 20,000 people who live in your town, if 7,000 of them own cars but if 6,500 of them can install private chargers on their own property, the number of public EV chargers is going to be very little compared to the number of cars on the road and you’ve got until 2045 to get it all installed.

Like it or not, the data shows that most chargers are idle most of the time, even now.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Irony is of course is if l lived in Cornwall I wouldn’t actually need a rapid in Cornwall.

 

[JRS]

Tesla caught doing Tesla things again. That "quarter mile" drag race they did with the Cybertruck hauling a Porsche? Not so much.

One eagle-eyed Redditor happened to notice that the race was held at the now-closed Sacramento Raceway. When comparing the stills from Tesla’s footage, it can be seen that the Cybertruck and Porsche were set up to race across the first set of thick lines painted on the track, which are placed at the eighth-mile marker alongside the grandstands. (Those are not present at the quarter-mile markings on the track.) Yet during the press conference, even Tesla CEO Elon Musk was adamant that it was a proper quarter-mile drag.

“This is an actual Porsche. We literally just got it from the dealer. 2023 Porsche 911,” Musk said during the Cybertruck launch event. “It can tow a Porsche 911 across a quarter mile faster than the Porsche 911 can go by itself.”

Immediately after showing the Cybertruck win the race, Tesla claims that the highest trim Cyberbeast version of its truck can run the quarter mile in under 11.0 seconds, though it’s assumed this is without towing a 3,300-pound sports coupe on a 1,500-pound trailer.

Perhaps showing this figure directly after the eighth-mile drag, combined with Musk’s claim of the truck beating out the Porsche in a quarter mile, is what led to this misconception.

It's hard to know exactly what happened here, since we can't ask Tesla, which doesn't speak to the media. An examination of the video reveals it was definitely an eighth-of-a-mile; the grandstands don't extend to the quarter-mile marker.

And I wouldn't mind (NARRATOR: yes, he absolutely would) but the 1/8th mile race is impressive. If they'd said 'hey, look, we can beat a Porsche in the 1/8th mile while towing another Porsche!' then that would have been plenty cool. But no, got to add just a bit more falsified hype/PR wonkery...

 

[Kenai]

No doubt carwow or other similar YouTube channel will replicate such a drag race soon enough with customer cars so we can see what's up

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Looks like Bonnet has been acquired by OVO, I figured there was an exit strategy in there somewhere, I called it back in 2021. It makes sense for OVO given the moves Octopus has taken in this space.

Bonnet charging costs coming to your Ovo home energy bill coming soon?