Shame, you'd need to take the wing mirrors off (reduces the width to a 'mere' 2.0M), and I'd consider one.. It would be around the price of a BMW iX.. they start at £71k and go over £100k
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The boat landed yesterday full of Model Y's in Southampton , mines being delivered next Friday (could have been sooner, but have boring stuff getting in the way during the week)..
Will most certainly be the current car, I was going to wait, but the SS Lease net price was ~£400pm for a MY LR fully insured/maintained/tyres etc, it's now £90 more..
As you say, the interior trim changes are so minimal, only the rear HVAC touchscreen would have been nice, but it's definitely not anywhere near to FOMO levels!
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you hit on another issue with Musk and Tesla.
The man spouts such nonsense. I am almost certain when announced - aside from its completely novel structural design which i believe was canned - he also said the car would start from $40k.
Now i know targets can be missed, but it isnt even in the same ball park price wise.
I wonder how many people held off buying an EV because of the insanely cheap price of the cybertruck only for it to launch at $80k (with a $60k model coming down the line)
does anyone believe a word the man says? (and i say this as someone with respect for tesla vehicles in general)
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Does the Model Y still have parking sensors, or did they remove those off that as well?
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i think it uses camera only now doesnt it?
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That sort of penny pinching is what makes me not take Tesla very seriously now.
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penny pinching is one thing but having watched a video on the camera only system imo it's dangerous and worse than not having it as it gives drivers a sense of security which isn't there
if they want to save money and remove some features then fine but the car should be sold as parking cameras only with no auto driving and no obstacle sensing at all imo and that way the drivers knows it's on them (but keep the cameras as aids)
if they want to save money and remove some features then fine but the car should be sold as parking cameras only with no auto driving and no obstacle sensing at all imo and that way the drivers knows it's on them (but keep the cameras as aids)
The front is rubbish but the back seems to work fine from what I’ve seen. Time will tell on that front!
I’m not sure if categorise it as ‘dangerous’ though. Ultrasonic sensors are definitely not infallible either and and ‘miss’ quite large objects which fall outside their detection cone.
Would I have preferred them, yes absolutely. Is it a deal breaker? No not really. The cars for 3 rear facing cameras which cover the same job and you’ve got limited excuses hitting something moving forwards aids or not.
That said, the amount of bent bollards which surround public chargers suggests parking sensors are not particularly effective anyway.
Edit: no stalks may be a different conversation though, I’d need to drive it for a bit to pass judgement… fortunately not an issue on the Y at the moment.
I’m not sure if categorise it as ‘dangerous’ though. Ultrasonic sensors are definitely not infallible either and and ‘miss’ quite large objects which fall outside their detection cone.
Would I have preferred them, yes absolutely. Is it a deal breaker? No not really. The cars for 3 rear facing cameras which cover the same job and you’ve got limited excuses hitting something moving forwards aids or not.
That said, the amount of bent bollards which surround public chargers suggests parking sensors are not particularly effective anyway.
Edit: no stalks may be a different conversation though, I’d need to drive it for a bit to pass judgement… fortunately not an issue on the Y at the moment.
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Yeah no indicator stalks combined with high steering rotation would make me keep my 21 Model 3. Now if they release a substantially faster highland performance with steer by wire and half turn max lock each way then I would happy put up with the poor front parking sensor situation.
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maybe it's just me not with the times but I think there are some pretty weird design choices going on with cars in general.
for instance I had a mercedes A class for a few days nice enough car ,(the hybrid would have been a good choice for my wife's car ).
they put the gear (drive , park, reverse) selector on a stalk which is fair enough..... but the nob which presumably had been the gear selector in models gone by was still there it just didn't do anything. all very odd imo
for instance I had a mercedes A class for a few days nice enough car ,(the hybrid would have been a good choice for my wife's car ).
they put the gear (drive , park, reverse) selector on a stalk which is fair enough..... but the nob which presumably had been the gear selector in models gone by was still there it just didn't do anything. all very odd imo
How do the cameras cope with the winter road grime though? The one on my Leon goes from freshly cleaned to completely unusable in as little as 10 miles this time of year.
I'd be pretty miffed if I didn't have the sensors to rely on.
Our resident Tesla expert at work was telling me about steer by wire. What he couldn't tell me was whether there was any feedback through the wheel. Surely there must be otherwise you'd have no reference as to what the front wheels are doing grip wise?!
One turn lock to lock would be mega twitchy at speed!
After 3yrs of one of those Merc gear stalks, I cannot get out of the habit of wiping my windows before I set off now....
Are you talking about the palm rest thing for resting your hand on when you use the touchpad?
From what I understand it mainly uses the side cameras for parking assist which don’t get gunked up. The rear camera gets pretty dirty in foul weather.
The wheel has feedback but in reality few people have spent more than a few hours with it so TBD on that one. It’s probably worth saying that it’s on a pickup truck which are not exactly known for their dynamic steering capabilities, particularly with those massive tyres.
It's what the Cybertruck does, basically varies the rate of turn based on speed. So you can keep hands in optimal position all times.
I believe it's 180 degrees on of lock. But could be wrong.
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Nope. You can look at all the cameras in the camera app, but the park assist is a top down schematic with limits drawn in as coloured lines.
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No, the 'tech' is whoopie cushions and no parking sensors.
Indeed, and the camera views you do get are just standard rear, and standard side camera views, they don't even attempt to feed the front camera to you, and even with the rear/sides they don't provide a birds eye view, which is quite frankly a poor choice.
The best systems have been 360 cameras with Birdseye view and ultrasonic sensors, in tight car parks etc, the 360 cameras allow you to confidently use those last 15-20cm of clearance the normal sensors stop at.. our last two SUVs had this and found it incredibly useful in some underground parking garages in London that are incredibly tight..
Ultimately, as much as it has flaws, I've test driven the Model Y and deliberately tried out the parking ability, it just feels about the same level of uncertainty as just regular parking sensors and a rear cam, but definitely has more uncertainty on the front end, but the side/rear views displayed give more information for those areas. Not a show stopper, just a weird wasted design choice IMO.
I had the same reservations about them not having Radar in the Model Y and later Model 3s, removing that for a vision system seemed quite a stupid decision and so again, uncertainty creeps in, however, to be fair to Tesla, their vision system in most scenarios is on top of all rivals:
it's just a shame that you know it could be potentially even better if it kept the radar as an input.. but you can't argue too much if you compare it overall to other manufacturers attempts, although those tests are limited and I'm sure there are scenarios it will struggle more then their rivals since they all use very dissimilar hardware/software solutions.
The difference with the parking sensors is that technically I can't see how they can ever rival or surpass ultrasonic sensors since the lack of information is obvious..
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