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pastymuncher said:
They do them for my Gen 2 Leaf as well. A 62kWh battery would boost my range to 271 miles but cost over £7k plus shipping and import duty, that's a lot of money and then I would need to find someone up here to do the change. My car is 4 years old now and as part of this years service they did a full health check on the battery and found it still to be 100% so it still performs as it did when new. It may be worth thinking about further down the line though.
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not all mftrs are as good - video on vw battery health, guy approaching the 100K miles warranty on 21my id4,
cell module manufacturing/management problems, so 3 modules replaced individually over that period in warranty, just 10% dc charging;

djmk4 style, his additional OBD data gives heads-up on problem helped by American recall notices.
cell problems aren't isolated across mftrs, and 3rd party health certificates for second hand purchase useful.


 
That single video means nothing other than that one car has problems. There is enough data to show larger battery MEB platform should be typically at ~92% after 4 years. Obviously some better and some worse but nothing worse than other EVs with modern BMS. The degradation in that video is right around the correct ballpark. The issue he is having is not relating to degradation, but an error code due to faulty cells. Subtle but very different issue.

Hundreds of data points here on expected degradation on MEB.

US site so 77kWh MEBs only
docs.google.com

ID.4-SoH

docs.google.com docs.google.com

German site so show 58kWh entries.
docs.google.com

SOH VW MEBs

docs.google.com docs.google.com
 
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jpaul said:
not all mftrs are as good - video on vw battery health, guy approaching the 100K miles warranty on 21my id4,
cell module manufacturing/management problems, so 3 modules replaced individually over that period in warranty, just 10% dc charging;

djmk4 style, his additional OBD data gives heads-up on problem helped by American recall notices.
cell problems aren't isolated across mftrs, and 3rd party health certificates for second hand purchase useful.


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Guy at work's wife has had to switch to a new pcp? On a new car because their 12 month old one couldn't get resolved by vw.
So she got the same model but 12 months newer :D

It was a polo btw, so are all vw ice engines poor quality by default?
She's done less than 3000 miles.
 
It’s the usual single data point presented as if it is common. I don’t mean how VW respond because they did replace modules multiple times. But that these battery failures are somehow typical on MEB VWs.
 
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m4rmite said:
Guy at work's wife has had to switch to a new pcp? On a new car because their 12 month old one couldn't get resolved by vw.
So she got the same model but 12 months newer :D

It was a polo btw, so are all vw ice engines poor quality by default?
She's done less than 3000 miles.
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Since cars were invented theres been certain engines or cars that were problematic than others.

We are in a stage of very complex ICE and EV and Hybrid vehicles. They are much more reliable in general but problems can be difficult to diagnose and fix. Supply of parts and enough service people are big problems.

This is compounded by emissions and profitability. EV should be a solution except their simplicity is offset by poor supply lines on parts and repairs. Simple things like door handles or lights are now complex and expensive repairs. No €10 light bulbs anymore.
 
ICDP said:
That single video means nothing other than that one car has problems. There is enough data to show larger battery MEB platform should be typically at ~92% after 4 years. Obviously some better and some worse but nothing worse than other EVs with modern BMS. The degradation in that video is right around the correct ballpark. The issue he is having is not relating to degradation, but an error code die to cells. Subtle but very different issue.

Hundreds of data points here on expected degradation on MEB.

US site so 77kWh MEBs only
docs.google.com

ID.4-SoH

docs.google.com docs.google.com

German site so show 58kWh entries.
docs.google.com

SOH VW MEBs

docs.google.com docs.google.com
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Don’t bother bringing logic to a jpaul word soup.
 
OspreyO said:
If you want a reliable car generally get one thats been out for a while and all known issues have been resolved.
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And more importantly, the simpler the better!

An internal combustion engine is a relatively simple machine, but the more bits you bolt onto it for emissions & performance, the more there is to go wrong.

Never mind when you start adding all sorts of other gadgets and automations.
 
OspreyO said:
Since cars were invented theres been certain engines or cars that were problematic than others.

We are in a stage of very complex ICE and EV and Hybrid vehicles. They are much more reliable in general but problems can be difficult to diagnose and fix. Supply of parts and enough service people are big problems.

This is compounded by emissions and profitability. EV should be a solution except their simplicity is offset by poor supply lines on parts and repairs. Simple things like door handles or lights are now complex and expensive repairs. No €10 light bulbs anymore.
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Exactly. I'd hazard a guess that if manufacturers in 2025 were suddenly told "you can start building engines to Euro 4 regs again" then they would be virtually infallible. Cheap as well.

Understandably the push for emissions reduction means that would never happen and we are where we are with Euro 7 on the horizon.
 
lordrobs said:
Exactly. I'd hazard a guess that if manufacturers in 2025 were suddenly told "you can start building engines to Euro 4 regs again" then they would be virtually infallible. Cheap as well.

Understandably the push for emissions reduction means that would never happen and we are where we are with Euro 7 on the horizon.
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Given the emissions scandals, they probably still ARE at Euro 4, if all those figures actually mean anything in the real world :cry:
 
45 minute call with the lease company yesterday - a much more positive call than I've ever had before. Felt like I was actually being listened to.

Whether or not something comes of it, I don't know, but I am hoping I can finally get some movement :-)
 
Having a GivEnergy Ev Charger fitted to my AIO today. Hoping it goes smoothly as the GivEnergy Support has been a bit lacking recently. I only went for this due to the interoperability with my entire solar/battery system. Fingers crossed!
 
Haggisman said:
A modern one does, yes, and built to extremely low tolerances, both of which mean it's a lot more likely for something to go wrong.
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I think even a 1990s 16 valve with variable cams and fuel injection is not a simple engine. Reliable maybe. But not "modern" or simple.. New engines are built to save weight and save on materials with plastic parts and such.
 
MrRockliffe said:
45 minute call with the lease company yesterday - a much more positive call than I've ever had before. Felt like I was actually being listened to.

Whether or not something comes of it, I don't know, but I am hoping I can finally get some movement :-)
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Seems mad that they're giving you such a hard time considering it's their asset that is basically becoming scrap
 
chanjy said:
If I remember they were willing to let him walk away from the contract he just didn't want to...?
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They let me walk away with some money back but it was a very small amount compared to what I’d paid so far, and I/other half also didn’t have access to another vehicle at the time so would have left us in a tricky situation
 
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