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Doesn’t matter. The EVSE should have detected the overtemp condition.
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LOL I post about a charger someone was asking about and within an hour I'm reposting social media rage bait and the internet detectives are out in force. Got to love forums 
Anyway, got to go. I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight if I've left any other empty sockets with the switch turned on
Exactly. The problem with the socket was probably from years of grotty extension leads and whatever being plugged into it.
My mistake was not swapping it out as a matter of course when using it under high load but I checked it regularly for the first couple of weeks then forgot all about it. Over 11 months later the car didn't charge so I bothered to look at the socket and... Whoops.
Anyway, got to go. I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight if I've left any other empty sockets with the switch turned on
Exactly. The problem with the socket was probably from years of grotty extension leads and whatever being plugged into it.
My mistake was not swapping it out as a matter of course when using it under high load but I checked it regularly for the first couple of weeks then forgot all about it. Over 11 months later the car didn't charge so I bothered to look at the socket and... Whoops.
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Wasn't claiming you were - just found it amusing as I've recently seen similar images a few times pop up on my social media feeds recently with outlandish drama attached to them.
Fair enough, apologies. For what it's worth cuke2u's identical charger went the same way, that's what he was referring to.
Knew there had been some previous issues but wasn't aware of that.
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Can't see how a heavier ice and smaller battery EV is the best of both worlds. A better compromise for some maybe. But it's not the best at anything.
This is exactly my thoughts. They will seriously **** me off if they do this. It is stupid.
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Ive got both and can see the merits of both. That smaller battery means its lighter than most BEVs and the electrifcation upgrades to the ICE offers bi-directional power whilst a normal ICE just heats up brake discs.
Need to apply more critical thinking and less Dunning-Kruger.
Short trips EV only, long trips rapid fuel refill. Pretty obvious really.
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I'm having an intermittent problem with incomplete charging.
Octopus Intelligent Go, Zappi integration, and MG5.
I plug the car in, I get a schedule, and charging starts at the scheduled time.
But then sometimes the first charging slot ends, and the charging never restarts. Zappi app says 'EV full' when it's not.
I've changed some settings on the Zappi to try and combat it following some advice on the internet. Preconditioning on, and a time out setting set to max.
It still happened last night. Its not super frequent, maybe once a month, but it's random so I never know for sure if my car is going to have charged in the morning. It's happening more frequently lately, I can't remember having this issue earlier in the year.
Last night luckily I spotted the issue at 1Am so I manually forced the charge.
Octopus Intelligent Go, Zappi integration, and MG5.
I plug the car in, I get a schedule, and charging starts at the scheduled time.
But then sometimes the first charging slot ends, and the charging never restarts. Zappi app says 'EV full' when it's not.
I've changed some settings on the Zappi to try and combat it following some advice on the internet. Preconditioning on, and a time out setting set to max.
It still happened last night. Its not super frequent, maybe once a month, but it's random so I never know for sure if my car is going to have charged in the morning. It's happening more frequently lately, I can't remember having this issue earlier in the year.
Last night luckily I spotted the issue at 1Am so I manually forced the charge.
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Getting the 'best of both worlds' doesn't necessarily mean 'it is the best at something' - it's a saying that means getting the benefits from two typically opposed or different perspectives at the same time - or in other words, the best compromise.
In this case, for many people the PHEV fits exactly this description - they get the EV advantages of cheap (home) fuelling, quiet drivetrain, braking regen, low company car tax and niceties like preheating etc. whilst also getting the advantages of an ICE drivetrain - the flexibility for instant refuelling, driver engagement (in some setups - personal perspective there), higher business mileage reimbursement rates, etc.
That's not to say that there's no downsides to it, or that it can be a better EV than a BEV or a better ICE than a pure ICE but for plenty of people, those potential downsides are far outweighed by getting 'the best of both worlds' as above.
Is depreciation higher on a phev then? And why are you including maintenance on depreciation
Why inventing stuff on the engine life. It also does less work for the same mileage
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Read the post you quoted, it explains it in quite simple terms.
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It said best, but didn't describe best.
I'm not sure what part you're having trouble with, everyone else seems to understand it fine.
For people who can't get a BEV because of the range/charging their only options are ICE, HEV and PHEV. A PHEV acts like a BEV for short range trips so it is better in this regard than ICE/HEV, and on long trips it acts like a HEV so it is better in this regard than ICE. Thus the best of both worlds for those people.
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I have seen this issue caused by 2 different problems.
the 1st one was my CT clamp info was wireless via my HARVI and it kept dropping out, this caused exactly the issue you are experiencing. the installer replaced my HARVI and said he was sure that would fix it, i had lost faith however and so got him to wire up my CT clamp.
The 2nd one was when the 12v battery in our i3 was failing. a new battery fixed that.
other than that i think i have had failed charges for unexplained reasons with my zappi saying EV full maybe 3 times in the last 18 months, so it can happen even then but its very rare IME
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as for PHEVs.... i can definitely see a use case for them (we have one tho it is wasted on us we dont need it and its just added weight and complexity) but imo to get any form of grant or company car tax saving i think they need to have a minimum real world range of them..... not sure what that should be but more than the 20 - 30 miles which some have imo.... Maybe 60 miles? that way there is a genuine chance that for the day to day use of the car it may act as full electric.
the danger of PHEVs with super short range is that they may be just compliance vehicles and if run on petrol most of the time have been shown to be worse than just using an ICE.
that said i wont lie.... i would not say not to a BMW i8
the danger of PHEVs with super short range is that they may be just compliance vehicles and if run on petrol most of the time have been shown to be worse than just using an ICE.
that said i wont lie.... i would not say not to a BMW i8
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