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Exactly. The transition to BEV was always inevitable, both parties have been straight about that even if the dates did change. Common sense tells you that the government aren't going to let the motorist cash cows get away so it was always going to be the case that BEV will end up as expensive as ICE. It has to, otherwise there are billions of pounds worth of black hole in the countries finances.
I'd have have been lapping that incentivised porridge up if I had the option. Unfortunately our company was hesitant to make the switch so I went with the next best option of a PHEV.
Still a good time to be running an EV though and it will be many years before you are no better off (financially at least) doing so. Probably long after they are the only choice to buy new to keep people transitioning out of their older ICE cars.
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it is those who paid a large premium for an EV over an ice due to the "promise" of really cheap running costs who I think will lose out most. with the miles I do the reality is I was never going to pull that back anyway but now... it's pretty much impossible.
all whilst still giving huge tax breaks and discounts to people buying brand new cars.
if you are the sort of person who buys new cars or can get a company car deal EVs still make sense. but people who buy 2nd hand I think it's a much harder decision now.
I realise we had to pay something eventually but imo it should have been on new cars going forward once EVs were are price parity with ICE cars........ which they probably are now esp if you compare the VED on new cars as well.
In fairness this specific point is subject to consultation so no they don’t know.
The main issue I have is that she hypothecated VED and fuel duty has being for road maintenance, it simple isn’t used to that. It just goes into the magic money tree and gets spent on everything.
Most roads are maintained by local authorities which are part funded by council tax.
Rabbit in the headlights, springs to mind.
.How much more did you pay for the EV than an equivalent ICE?
We're looking for a van in about 18 months, 5 seats, 200 miles real world range
The cheapest option I can find on Autotrader are couple of suspiciously cheap looking EQV300 with > 100k miles at £22-24k, the next option is a Buzz at £33k, or PV5 which I'm guessing will be around the £25-30k point by then.
Change to an ICE and there are hundreds of suitable options at 1/3 - 1/2 that price. £10-15k pays for a hell of a lot of diesel!
A lot of public charging already is higher than ICE (particularly rapids, 79p/kwh @ 3.6mi/kwh = ~22p/mile, vs £1.40/L @ 50mpg = ~13p/mile).
This is of course offset by much cheaper charging at home for those who can, but for those who can't, buying an EV now would be an even worse idea than it already is!
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Waffle waffle waffle simple as possible waffle waffle pay to maintain the roads waffle waffle.
What a load of crap. Since when has any system any government has come up with been simple? What road maintenance? The roads around here are in the worst state they have been in since they switched from dirt tracks!!
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Looking forward to see how this is going to work. If having to charge away from home it's more than petrol already. I'd be less bothered yb this if they increased the 45p mileage limit.
Politicians have zero knowledge about the details on any of the subjects they talk about.
They are employed because they are good at reading scripts, good at talking around on the spot questions and good with public relations.
Same as the news readers asking the questions - they turn up in the morning, get given a script of questions to ask on 'x' topics and present it to the camera well.
It's all a show and moment it's goes off script, they need both need a team of people behind them suppling them with the answers/questions.
IMO News programs like this are a complete waste of time, for anything of value. It's entertainment, keeps people in jobs and is a method to supply adverts to the people watching
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45p mileage limit? I presume this is to do with work company car and claiming running costs back? if it is bad for you think about what it is like for the rest of us who have to pay the going rate for fuel and purchase price of the vehicle.
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this may be true and I am even ok with it. I don't expect every politician to be an expert in everything they have to talk about, that is why they have people working for them.
but the question was a simple one that even a rudimentary bit of prep could have covered.
"sure.that is a good question and the final details will be sorted over the coming years" (she actually did get to something approaching that in the end albeit in a ham fisted way)
"however I suspect it could be something along the lines of having your yearly mileage recorded at an MOT station, or will be declared when insuring or taxing your car.
any shortfall on that number would have to be made up for either on the cars 1st MOT OR when selling the car to a new buyer, exact details will be in place before the system goes online"
it's the same as when quizzed on broken manifesto promises.
I would take a bit of honesty over weasel words. "yes I know it is not ideal and I made those pledges in good faith however global events and a drop in productivity has meant that the numbers didn't add up.
Our public services and infrastructure are in as bad way and need increased investment and so I have made the tough decisions to do what is best for the country for the long term and that means we all need to pay a bit more, and I have tired to do it fairly and impact those who have less the least.".
back to topic. EV drivers were always gonna have to pay at some point but why is it EV drivers are getting hit retrospectively. ICE vehicles huge tax changes have always been on vehicles purchased from a fixed date going forward, EVs don't get that luxury.
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No personal car and claiming back.
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If you believe Labour, that the country's finances were in an absolute worse state than they were aware of when making those manifesto promises (and I do, personally) then I can cut them a bit of slack.
45p is for personal cars only. Salary sacrifice and company car EV are 7-12p a mile.
Quite. If it was announced that fuel was going up by 150% due to an increase in duty, there would be riots in the street, but because EV drivers are still a relative minority, "nobody" cares...
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I wonder if our 3p a mile in 2028 will actually go to road maintenance now since they are basing this on EVs also ruining the roads?
I doubt it.
I doubt it.
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Why are you bringing your purchase price obsession into it again? Anyone getting paid 45p a mile will be using their own car paid for out of their own pocket. Usually because it is a much cheaper option for the business than providing a car to use.
We all get that you are put out that you had your Greta moment, just at the same time that a 400bhp Jag came into financial range, which then lost money (surprise surprise) and you have been punished because you could have got an 'equivalent' car for less money if it had been ICE (which would have had and continue to have massively higher running costs but we'll gloss over that) but seriously, you need to get over it or move on to another car.
Or another option, go and get yourself a job with a company car or at a company with a salary sacrifice scheme. I hear that luxury SUV company cars are handed out like sweets these days...
That mileage allowance is to cover additional wear and tare, maintenance, insurance for business use, fuel and the provision of a suitable car for the job at hand (or depreciation if you want it simplified).
Why are you bringing your purchase price obsession into it again? Anyone getting paid 45p a mile will be using their own car paid for out of their own pocket. Usually because it is a much cheaper option for the business than providing a car to use.
We all get that you are put out that you had your Greta moment, just at the same time that a 400bhp Jag came into financial range, which then lost money (surprise surprise) and you have been punished because you could have got an 'equivalent' car for less money if it had been ICE (which would have had and continue to have massively higher running costs but we'll gloss over that) but seriously, you need to get over it or move on to another car.
Or another option, go and get yourself a job with a company car or at a company with a salary sacrifice scheme. I hear that luxury SUV company cars are handed out like sweets these days...
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