EV general discussion

Draeger said:
Rabbit in the headlights, springs to mind.
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JonRGV250 said:
My good lord..

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Can of worms .

Black Box - who pays for it?
Tracking- big brother watching you !
Milage blockers , anyone who corrects digital dashes can help you out here !

Second hand values on 3 year old EV'S - its not going to be a lot. Also let's watch how the price increases on used diesel and petrol prices. Lease companies must be bricking it when all the PCP deals finish
 
im sure milage defeat devices will become even more popular than they already are for lease cars, i had a quick google and it seems they're readily available for pretty much any make and model as it stands
 
sovietspybob said:
im sure milage defeat devices will become even more popular than they already are for lease cars, i had a quick google and it seems they're readily available for pretty much any make and model as it stands
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£500 for mine. Seem pointless. Remember most lease already have penalties for going over the agreed mileage anyway. So that’s still more of an incentive for cheating the system.

I’m amazed everyone seems to be surprised duty was coming to EV. It was inevitable.

As expected seems many EV purchases were for cost of running not any climate thing (based on evidence online)
 
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Self report for mileage :cry:

Presumably there's nothing stopping the car itself these days reporting it back to the manufacturer. Won't take much to open that up to HMRC.
 
All apps can see mileage anyway.


Good news seems EVs 40k-50k after April 2026 pay less tax as the expensive car supplement will be removed.
 
guess you meant to say this

The change applies retrospectively, meaning that most vehicles registered from 1 April 2025 will not be required to pay the charge. Any vehicles taking out a second licence with effect before 1 April 2026 will be required to pay one year of the charge only.

anyway, manufacturers will be adjusting rrp prices for 2026

mileage defeat devices for ev's will have to resolve the problem of inconsistent charge throughput for the battery too (your car was only doing 2m/kwh, you like the cabin at 30C)
 
Haggisman said:
How much more did you pay for the EV than an equivalent ICE?

We're looking for a van in about 18 months, 5 seats, 200 miles real world range

The cheapest option I can find on Autotrader are couple of suspiciously cheap looking EQV300 with > 100k miles at £22-24k, the next option is a Buzz at £33k, or PV5 which I'm guessing will be around the £25-30k point by then.

Change to an ICE and there are hundreds of suitable options at 1/3 - 1/2 that price. £10-15k pays for a hell of a lot of diesel!



A lot of public charging already is higher than ICE (particularly rapids, 79p/kwh @ 3.6mi/kwh = ~22p/mile, vs £1.40/L @ 50mpg = ~13p/mile).

This is of course offset by much cheaper charging at home for those who can, but for those who can't, buying an EV now would be an even worse idea than it already is!
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I didn't look for an ICE car this time, I bought my Tiguan diesel in July 2013 for £13,500, I sold it in January this year and bought an E-Niro 4+ for £18,500. Now the really weird thing is if you apply the BOE inflation calculator to the £13.5k in 2013 it would be worth £18,553.89. So effectively my car cost me the same as it did in 2013, both cars were 3 years old when purchased.

You'd be very lucky to find a suitable electric van, my brothers been looking, and the options are extremely limited, they either lack range or are expensive like the Buzz, we came to the conclusion the PV5 would be the best option, even new, but he's too tight to spend that sort of money, so he'll likely go ICE, but wants to avoid wet belts, and it needs to be Euro 6, so his options are very limited.

Looking at my spreadsheet I've spent £99 charging at home for roughly 4200 miles, and £261 public charging for just three trips/holidays of about 2200 miles roughly. My average cost per mile is 5.5p
 
Bald-Eagle22 said:
Can of worms .

Black Box - who pays for it?
Tracking- big brother watching you !
Milage blockers , anyone who corrects digital dashes can help you out here !

Second hand values on 3 year old EV'S - its not going to be a lot. Also let's watch how the price increases on used diesel and petrol prices. Lease companies must be bricking it when all the PCP deals finish
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From the consultation I saw last night, Mot garages will be tasked with offering a mileage logging service, for cars not due an Mot, and presumably when you're selling/buying a car.

This would actually be pretty easy to implement, as Mot garages already have all the equipment, would just need the back end updating so there is the facility to log it on the system.
 
jpaul said:
guess you meant to say this

The change applies retrospectively, meaning that most vehicles registered from 1 April 2025 will not be required to pay the charge. Any vehicles taking out a second licence with effect before 1 April 2026 will be required to pay one year of the charge only.

anyway, manufacturers will be adjusting rrp prices for 2026

mileage defeat devices for ev's will have to resolve the problem of inconsistent charge throughput for the battery too (your car was only doing 2m/kwh, you like the cabin at 30C)
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No. I said my car which is 45k will no longer pay £400 extra VED from April 2026

What does ‘most vehicles’ mean in your paragraph?

P11d values will still matter as it impacts BIK so 41k cars aren’t suddenly going to be £49,999 RRP

On your unrelated topic to VED
Unlike fuel duty. No benefit for efficient EV on duty as it’s miles based only
 
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Ron-ski said:
I didn't look for an ICE car this time, I bought my Tiguan diesel in July 2013 for £13,500, I sold it in January this year and bought an E-Niro 4+ for £18,500. Now the really weird thing is if you apply the BOE inflation calculator to the £13.5k in 2013 it would be worth £18,553.89. So effectively my car cost me the same as it did in 2013, both cars were 3 years old when purchased.
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Fair enough - I've always gone for older ICE, my EVs have been the newest/most expensive cars I've had - out of necessity due to what was available at the time which actually fit our requirements, but enabled by the significantly lower running costs (total cost of ownership being roughly on par with that of a similar but older/higher mileage ICE), if it weren't for the lower running costs then it never would have been an option.

Ron-ski said:
You'd be very lucky to find a suitable electric van, my brothers been looking, and the options are extremely limited, they either lack range or are expensive like the Buzz, we came to the conclusion the PV5 would be the best option, even new, but he's too tight to spend that sort of money, so he'll likely go ICE, but wants to avoid wet belts, and it needs to be Euro 6, so his options are very limited.
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Yup, that's what I'm seeing as well, the Stellantis options are pointless due to the laughable battery size, the Buzz would be perfect, but definitely a bit pricey (although by the time we're going to change there should be some older/cheaper ones available) the PV5 was looking viable, but if EV running costs are going to increase significantly then it's not going to leave much choice but go back to ICE.

Ideally we'd keep the Niro, but unfortunately the other half decided we "needed" a massive dog, which doesn't really leave space for much else!

Simon said:
As expected seems many EV purchases were for cost of running not any climate thing (based on evidence online)
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I've never heard a real person actually claim they bought an EV for climate reasons, sure it's a nice bonus, but other than that I've only ever seen it as a made up point to argue against by the anti-EV brigade :p
 
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tamzzy said:
Nah. On more mods for the 3 :cry:
I bought the knock-off uberturbine covers for the 18 inch rims :D

Looks pretty snazzy if I may say so myself
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Well all the good ones come from China, as Tesla sell so many vehicles there so the after market stuff is really good.
 
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