Yeah honestly the quality and finish is top notch. The OEM aero covers had sharp edges and felt inferior to the aftermarket covers IMO
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Yeah, I must know about 50 people who've taken up EVs, not a single one listed the environment as a primary reason just a nice bonus.
Some wanted <3s 0-60, some were techies and just liked early adopting new tech, some wanted the prestige of driving a Tesla, and most just wanted really cheap driving costs.
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There's prestige to driving a Tesla?
Maybe in 2014...
Maybe in 2014...
Time does seem to fly but the Musk = Nazi social media stuff and it becoming popular to hate on Tesla was actually only a year ago.
Before that people who could afford Teslas still saw it as the Rolls Royce of EVs
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does it have to be either/or?
I bought an EV because I figured we could make one work for us and I thought it was irresponsible not to (there were other very nice ICE cars I would have liked too)
But at the same time I am aware of the costs and unfortunately money IS a consideration. I saw the EV as a long term consideration. pay (much) more initially but with the view that I would pull much of the premium back over the years of ownership. (8000 miles a year, 10 years ownership roughly with free then a low VED)
the emissions (or lack of) were the catalyst however.
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Just need to read this thread to see people in here who said it.
you are talking about model S only ?
Depending on your usage there is poor crossover with requirements from a van and real world reality of EV vans. If you load them up with weight and equipment (i.e. external components which add drag), especially if high intensity usage with short turn around, the cost to range makes a significant difference to the equation compared to the considerations of a passenger vehicle.
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It was more the point of describing a personal computer as "garage equipment".
PS I've been in the trade for 40 years
Anyways, I'm off to the workshop to fire up my ZX81 to input some mileages.
Three reasons I bought an EV, running costs, long manufacturer guarantee (Kia), and minimal drive train stuff to go wrong - mainly no extremely complicated emissions system like modern diesels have, there's no way I would have bought another diesel.
Love our Buzz, we get 2.6m/kWh long term out of it though so you just have to accept the range is 200 miles (fine for us, since we have young children who get bored, and chargers are everywhere)
The industry figure, not sure how derived, is 14-15% for a full payload, that will depend on the type of driving though and the real world consequences i.e. if you are stopping off 2-3 times shedding some of the load vs taking the whole load a distance, etc. etc.
I dunno about the Buzz as that wasn't one of the vans tested but real world tests specific to our usage at work was 20-30% impact for weight.
EDIT: It is not dissimilar to the impact on ICE vans but they typically have a much higher starting range.
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Same here. Also i did enjoy trying a ev before. I would not want to go back to ICE. Not saying I wouldn't though.
EV regen and ICE don’t so the extra weight is more kinetic energy to go back into the battery rather than heat up brakes. So the impact of weight is less on a EV.
Once you are rolling weight has a rather small impact at 40mph plus speeds
EV ideal for vans over a noisy diesel with a manual box. The buzz is great. So smooth too
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Yeah but for example one typical use for vans is urban multi-drop where regen only partially offsets regularly getting that weight moving again in the first place. Overall the impact of weight on van range is not hugely dissimilar EV vs ICE though due to different factors.
We rarely have any manual vans at work now - all the new ones are automatics, occasionally get a manual hire one but mostly they are autos now as well.
My reasons, I had an unreliable diesel wasn't going back to that. Pre heating, heated windscreen, home charging, (no panic realising the car was out of fuel late at night) suited frequent short urban driving. No sitting on the drive trying to de-ice and de-mist the car. Filling the drive with fumes.
Also the idea of sitting in traffic burning fuel and fumes seemed wrong.
I never considered a Tesla. Never liked the interior, the lack of controls. Same thing put me off an ID3. Tesla still probably the best EV infrastructure experience. But 95% of my charging is at home. That infrastructure is largely irrelevant to me.
I'd love a buzz. Closest thing to a MPV versatility. Maybe when they drop in price in a few years.
To be used as a family bus/day van. The Niro is OK for day-to-day use, but loading it up for beach trips/weekends away etc. means sticking the roof box on, playing Tetris with stuff on the back seat around the kids etc. It's a real faff, and puts us off going away. Camping trips are basically out of the question now. Would be so much easier to be able to just chuck stuff in a huge boot and get on the road!
Use as an actual "van" would be minimal, it would be handy to be able to load up for a tip run, stick a few sheets of plasterboard in the back etc. but in those cases we're talking 5-6 miles round trip to B&Q or whatever, so range would be irrelevant.