EV general discussion

[bigmike20vt]

Its interesting as as soon as they've had that they've jacked the price up by £500 and they've removed the £500 deposite contribution to the finance and bumped up the rate froms something like 2.7% to 4.9%

Sooooo yeah...

It's almost as if everyone with eyes saw this kind of thing coming a mile off, the manufactures use it as an excuse to pretend to give a discount and just pocket a load more cash for themselves..

indeed. which is yet another reason why, if something had to go, i would rather it of been the EV new car grant rather than charging 3p per mile.

there are plenty of cars on sale world wide now which can trade blows price with with ICE cars without subsidies. They were needed before but am not sure they are necessary now and as you say, too open to abuse from car companies imo.

 

[tamzzy]

The EVED tax will create a lot of beurocracy I honestly think if it happened in it's current form would not bring as much net taxation as expected.
Gov should give a 3 year EVED exemption for new EVs
After the 3rd year, 3p/mile that coincides with the MOT.

 

[sovietspybob]

quite.

I fully expect any EVs which were strategically priced just below the £40k luxury VED threshold to also mysteriously creep up for "reasons", especially if they're also eligible for the grant.

indeed. which is yet another reason why, if something had to go, i would rather it of been the EV new car grant rather than charging 3p per mile.

there are plenty of cars on sale world wide now which can trade blows price with with ICE cars without subsidies. They were needed before but am not sure they are necessary now and as you say, too open to abuse from car companies imo.

Yeah it's so frustrating, everyone could see it was going to be a cash grab for the manufactures, such a waste of money which would have been far better just all spent on charging infrastructure or sacking off the pay per mile stuff.

 

[Simon]

interesting.. it is fair enough and from a practical POV it wont change that much (12hrs charging on 7kwh charger is gonna be able to fill 90% of home vehicles from as good as empty).

but it stops people using a granny charger or limiting their charging rate to get almost 24/7 7p per kwh.

edge case wise, multiple EV families and perhaps taxi drivers may feel it, however i think octopus offer specialist products for incredibly heavy EV charging energy users.

No one is fully charging and using the entire battery everyday. Especially 80kWh +

People are abusing it. Glad they doing something about it to be honest.

 

[bigmike20vt]

No one is fully charging and using the entire battery everyday. Especially 80kWh +

People are abusing it. Glad they doing something about it to be honest.

me too esp if it stops them completely gimping the product. (i dont need a mammoth charge often, but it is nice to know it is there for the few times of the year i do need it).

 

[sovietspybob]

The EVED tax will create a lot of beurocracy I honestly think if it happened in it's current form would not bring as much net taxation as expected.
Gov should give a 3 year EVED exemption for new EVs
After the 3rd year, 3p/mile that coincides with the MOT.

The problem with that is you're always penalising the poorer people.

If you've got the cash to splash out on a brand new car the 3ppm is probably nothing to you relatively.

The person that buys a 3 or 5 year old EV the extra 3ppm will make a far bigger difference to.

 

[tamzzy]

If you've got the cash to splash out on a brand new car the 3ppm is probably nothing to you relatively.

The person that buys a 3 or 5 year old EV the extra 3ppm will make a far bigger difference to.

Would make sense if the grant was scrapped at the same time too. That £1750-3500 would save the gov more than 3p/mile for the first 3 years and less paperwork to sift through

 

[sovietspybob]

Would make sense if the grant was scrapped at the same time too. That £1750-3500 would save the gov more than 3p/mile for the first 3 years and less paperwork to sift through

Yeah i don't understand the reasoning at all, give with one hand and take away with the other, surely far far easier for everyone to just not bother with either.

I wonder what the administrative overheads are for the grants given how fantastically complicated the qualifying requirements are for it.

Then that's before the administration of the pay per mile thing.

 

[tamzzy]

I wonder what the administrative overheads are for the grants given how fantastically complicated the qualifying requirements are for it.

Then that's before the administration of the pay per mile thing.

Totally. The net tax reciepts, I don't think, will be as high as the gov expects

 

[chanjy]

Yeah i don't understand the reasoning at all, give with one hand and take away with the other, surely far far easier for everyone to just not bother with either.

I wonder what the administrative overheads are for the grants given how fantastically complicated the qualifying requirements are for it.

Then that's before the administration of the pay per mile thing.

Short term vs long term

Getting the infrastructure in place now for a post-fuel future is a long term thinking issue, even if it raises barely any money now

THe EV grant won't be forever either

 

[Haggisman]

Would make sense if the grant was scrapped at the same time too. That £1750-3500 would save the gov more than 3p/mile for the first 3 years and less paperwork to sift through

Yup, ~58-116k miles worth of 3p/mile - that's 8-16 years worth of tax at the average UK mileage of 7k

And that's a guaranteed amount, vs a percentage of the cars getting the grant that won't even do that mileage in their lifetime, plus as you say the savings in paperwork overheads. ****ing idiots, the lot of them.

 

[Yaayuh!]

I was going to do a 12 month write-up of my Tavascan. But this morning I found I may have a 12v issue, great timing

The TPMS system errored and the date and time had reset... Otherwise fine. I've reset it all, so will see but may be ringing Cupra at the weekend.

 

[pastymuncher]

Have you gone onto the fixed IOG Tariff? Variable its cheaper than that.

Yeh, this, variable is much cheaper. When I was looking at the projections, it wasn't projected to go much over the next 6 months leaving loads of headroom for increases next year to be better off.

You mean there's more than one type of IOG? How the hell are people supposed to know if they don't clearly state that and why didn't they ask me which one I wanted to go on when I phoned them up and asked them to switch me back to Octopus? There's too much secrecy around everyones EV tariffs, some won't even let you know the price unless you sign up with their standard tariff first.

I just checked my email and it appears in am on INTELLI-FIX-12M-25-08-29 so the fixed one. Whats the price difference on the variable one?

27.8p here for me and 7p off peak on IOG. 57.2p standing charge.

Mine is 7p per kWh off peak, 32.17p per kWh peak and 60.99p per day SC on IOG. We have some of the most expensive energy prices in the UK despite being surrounded by massive windfarms.

 

[kefkef]

You mean there's more than one type of IOG? How the hell are people supposed to know if they don't clearly state that and why didn't they ask me which one I wanted to go on when I phoned them up and asked them to switch me back to Octopus? There's too much secrecy around everyones EV tariffs, some won't even let you know the price unless you sign up with their standard tariff first.

I just checked my email and it appears in am on INTELLI-FIX-12M-25-08-29 so the fixed one. Whats the price difference on the variable one?


Mine is 7p per kWh off peak, 32.17p per kWh peak and 60.99p per day SC on IOG. We have some of the most expensive energy prices in the UK despite being surrounded by massive windfarms.

Not sure how Yorkshire gets it cheaper.... But then to be fair, we have our own issues with suppliers, we've still got a hosepipe ban going on............

 

[b0rn2sk8]

You mean there's more than one type of IOG? How the hell are people supposed to know if they don't clearly state that and why didn't they ask me which one I wanted to go on when I phoned them up and asked them to switch me back to Octopus? There's too much secrecy around everyones EV tariffs, some won't even let you know the price unless you sign up with their standard tariff first.

I just checked my email and it appears in am on INTELLI-FIX-12M-25-08-29 so the fixed one. Whats the price difference on the variable one?


Mine is 7p per kWh off peak, 32.17p per kWh peak and 60.99p per day SC on IOG. We have some of the most expensive energy prices in the UK despite being surrounded by massive windfarms.

Intelligent Octopus Go | UK's favourite EV tariff | Octopus Energy

Intelligent Octopus Go is a smart EV tariff that auto-schedules EV charging via the app - so your car’s always ready when you need it, without the hassle.

octopus.energy

The prices are here about 1/3 the way down the page, there is no secret, just out in your postcode.

Variable is 2.4p/unit on the peak rate cheaper for me, standing charges are the same.

If you were not offered the variable, raise a politely worded ticket (complainant), state that and you want to change, they’ll just do it.

Just bear in mind prices are reviewed every 3 months and it can (will) go up with the price cap.

 

[Kenai]

How the hell are people supposed to know if they don't clearly state that

Intelligent Octopus Go | UK's favourite EV tariff | Octopus Energy

Intelligent Octopus Go is a smart EV tariff that auto-schedules EV charging via the app - so your car’s always ready when you need it, without the hassle.

octopus.energy

When you get down to the tariff checker where you put in your postcode, there's a toggle between Fixed and Variable versions

For me, the standing charge is identical and the day rate is 30.92 fixed vs 29.14 variable.

 

[VaderDSL]

Could also be worth running the numbers for the non intelligent Octopus Go? If they still allow people onto it?

For me when I run the numbers between Octopus Go and Intellgent Go for myself, Intelligent Go works out around £50-100 per year higher based on usage, before taking into account shifting usage onto the cheaper slots. But for me personally I only charge 4 times per week and I'm never charging during the day and I get home 6PM on so at most I'd be able to shift maybe 10kWh onto a cheaper slot. I reckon after all is said and done Octopus Go vs IOG would work out similar costs for me personally.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Could also be worth running the numbers for the non intelligent Octopus Go? If they still allow people onto it?

For me when I run the numbers between Octopus Go and Intellgent Go for myself, Intelligent Go works out around £50-100 per year higher based on usage, before taking into account shifting usage onto the cheaper slots. But for me personally I only charge 4 times per week and I'm never charging during the day and I get home 6PM on so at most I'd be able to shift maybe 10kWh onto a cheaper slot. I reckon after all is said and done Octopus Go vs IOG would work out similar costs for me personally.

‘regular go’ will be more expensive full stop. 1 less hour off peak and off peak is 1.5p more so if you have a compatible charger or car, there is no advantage to regular go*

*unless your EV charger has been installed in a way in which your home battery sees its demand and fills it.

 

[pastymuncher]

I did the postcode checker for their tariffs and found a third EV orientated tariff called Intelligent Octopus Go - EV Saver which has a overnight rate of 6p per kWh, still six hours 23.30-05.30. The day rate is 29.78p per kWh for me, the same as IOG variable. I will give them a call in the morning and see if I can switch to it.

 

[VaderDSL]

I did the postcode checker for their tariffs and found a third EV orientated tariff called Intelligent Octopus Go - EV Saver which has a overnight rate of 6p per kWh, still six hours 23.30-05.30. The day rate is 29.78p per kWh for me, the same as IOG variable. I will give them a call in the morning and see if I can switch to it.

I think the ev saver tariff is for those who get their ev through octopus directly? I think?