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b0rn2sk8 said:
135 miles is like £3/day on IOG, defo not cheaper in a diesel unless someone else is paying.

Intelligent drive pack tariff got discontinued due to being ‘over subscribed’ (aka not profitable).
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Luckily for us the council are paying for the fuel costs as my Daughter gets a travel budget for her school. Still like to moan about the price increases though. Lol

Drivepack would have been ideal but as mentioned it’s been cancelled.

My price upgrade includes the revised pricing coming into effect end of Jan with only 6 hours being at 7p kw.
 
Grim5 said:
How to make EVs and AI fight eachother for the biggest bubble




Toyota must be laughing their asses off watching all these other brands try to out do eachother at selling EVs at a loss while Toyota seems like they made the right choice all along with hybrids

I didn't quite realise how large these losses are for these brands so this was eye opening and despite car manufacturers basically subsidising EV buyers themselves they are having to scale back planned production as demand is nowhere near their predicted paths.
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I think you need to tell Toyota someone spent £2b of their money on an ev plant in China.
They won't be happy.
news.cgtn.com

Toyota signs deal for $2 billion EV project in Shanghai

Japanese automaker Toyota Motor Corp. on Tuesday signed an agreement to establish a wholly owned electric vehicle (EV) plant in Shanghai, in a strategic move to bolster its presence in China, the world's largest automotive market.
news.cgtn.com news.cgtn.com
 
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I know :)

A guy at work was moaning about his winter electricity bill and asked me how much my monthly electricity bill was. I told him an average of about £170 and he thought that was excessive. He went quiet when I clarified that was for two EVs doing about 18,000 miles as well.
 
I was talking to a non-EV person and they said that EV sales would struggle in colder climates due to the batteries not liking the winter.

I thought that might true, until I read that Norway achieved over 97% BEV market share of new car sales in November, and 95% year-to-date. So much that theory!

Source
 
Mysterae_ said:
I was talking to a non-EV person and they said that EV sales would struggle in colder climates due to the batteries not liking the winter.

I thought that might true, until I read that Norway achieved over 97% BEV market share of new car sales in November, and 95% year-to-date. So much that theory!

Source
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There are a few reports, especially first gen Leaf, of battery issues but Norway has chucked a lot of money and incentives at it, unlike this country which tries to onus on consumer to generate the pressure for infrastructure improvements, etc.
 
Hydro is only cheap when it's built or subsidised by the government, preferably many decades ago. When you build new hydro without a subsidy and private ownership it becomes quite expensive compared to other forms of
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Or the water is uphill already. Norway has a massive sovereign fund from oil. Hinckley C will make their infrastructure spend look insignificant.

What was your point exactly?
 
OspreyO said:
Well done Japan...

"...Major cities, especially Tokyo, continue to experience high levels of fine particulate matter (PM2. 5), sulphur oxide and nitrogen oxide. In 2023, Tokyo's average PM2. 5 levels were 1.9 times the World Health Organisation's safety threshold..."
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So... a bit better than London then :confused:

What a random post!

I do love when people put Norway up there on an environmental pedestal. Where exactly did/does the money come from for that infrastructure? Literally the definition of not crapping in your own back yard from a purely environmental viewpoint.
 
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lordrobs said:
So... a bit better than London then :confused:

What a random post!
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London used to have much worse air quality bad smog in the 1990s etc. But it has improved its road transport emissions. London has and EV buses and a lot of EV cars. Cycling journeys in the capital have increased by 43% over the past six years to 1.5 million a day. But it still has a problem with polution from aviation.

The clinging to hybrids has a impact.

www.theguardian.com

Plug-in hybrids pollute almost as much as petrol cars, report finds

Analysis of 800,000 European cars found real-world pollution from plug-in hybrids nearly five times greater than lab tests
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

That is what you're championing with Toyota.
 
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why are we getting all political

People will buy the car they want. Don’t know why people expect OEMs to hit governments carbon target etc for them. Are you only allowed to drive a Toyota in Tokyo?
 
OspreyO said:
London used to have much worse air quality bad smog in the 1990s etc. But it has improved its road transport emissions. London has and EV buses and a lot of EV cars. Cycling journeys in the capital have increased by 43% over the past six years to 1.5 million a day. But it still has a problem with polution from aviation.

The clinging to hybrids has a impact.

www.theguardian.com

Plug-in hybrids pollute almost as much as petrol cars, report finds

Analysis of 800,000 European cars found real-world pollution from plug-in hybrids nearly five times greater than lab tests
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

That is what you're championing with Toyota.
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I'm not championing anything, just highlighting that taking a swing at Japan "because Toyota" was a bit of a swing and a miss.

We've seen plenty of posts on here stating that Toyota are behind the curve and will be irrelevant in 10 years. Unfortunately the qualification for that level of industry expertise seems to begin and end at buying your first EV.
 
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You're talking a dig at EVs because "Toyota" while being blissfully ignorant of the wider impact of clinging to fossil fuels. It's up there with boasting about DPF deletes on a school bus.
 
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OspreyO said:
You're talking a dig at EVs because "Toyota" while being blissfully ignorant of the wider impact of clinging to fossil fuels.

It's up there with boasting about DPF deletes on a school bus.
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Have you stopped using plastic too?

Can we get back to EV. Took my ICE out over weekend and forgot I need to get fuel for it rather than it fill over night. Tedious filling up and expensive but no EV will match what it provides as a car enthusiast

Born VZ done 3000 miles from new now. Tend to drive it a lot quicker on motorways so average is 3.1 so far but will get better in summer. Really pleased with it after getting used to all the settings and ACC tweaking. Ride is really rather good for a 2 ton thing and it fires out of comers nicely for only a rwd.
 
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OspreyO said:
You're talking a dig at EVs because "Toyota" while being blissfully ignorant of the wider impact of clinging to fossil fuels. It's up there with boasting about DPF deletes on a school bus.
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I'm really not, I think EVs are fantastic.

Toyota also makes EV's so I'm not sure where your fixation has come from.
 
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