EV general discussion

Gepetto said:
To get back on topic, I'm considering a Renault 5.

I think they look great, I've sat in a couple and found them to be extremely comfortable, but I haven't yet had a test drive.

Anyone have one, and able to provide thoughts?
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We've been looking at the Renault 5 and the Micra, the only concern is that the R5 is getting a motor upgrade the end of the year which may be worth waiting for.
 
or on same stellantis platform&class alfa junior veloce, which has the uprated 280 motor + lsd (no not the drug)
e-408 will become more interesting as a light weight fastback with that bigger motor too.
 
jonnylaris said:
  • Fast Depreciation
  • High Purchase Price
  • Long Charging Times
  • Public Infrastructure Issues
  • Range Anxiety
  • Heavy Weight
  • Electrical Niggles
  • Battery Mining
  • Environmental Concerns
  • Manufacturing Emissions

Want me to go on? :p
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Meanwhile is the real world me and my other half both have cheap EV leases, last year we spent £450 on electric for charging and did 20K+ miles.

I understand leasing is not for everybody but we prefer it as it basically gives you completely worry free motoring, if it breaks they fix it.
 
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Quick Q........looking into Model Y options.

The Premium RWD just falls under the £50k luxury tax, the AWD goes over. (and I think the RWD goes over if you pick one of the jazzier colours)

So any realistic benefit of AWD over RWD? Apart from the extra 20 miles or so of range the AWD seems to have.......
 
Shadowness said:
Quick Q........looking into Model Y options.

The Premium RWD just falls under the £50k luxury tax, the AWD goes over. (and I think the RWD goes over if you pick one of the jazzier colours)

So any realistic benefit of AWD over RWD? Apart from the extra 20 miles or so of range the AWD seems to have.......
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Not sure if this link will work as it was a pop up overlay for me:


If so click top right on the pop up to show the model comparison.

Only obvious differences between the two models are:

- AWD is quicker to 60 (and overall) but the RWD isn't exactly "slow"
- AWD has more WLTP range (IIRC it has a slightly larger battery / newer battery model @ ~82kWh instead of ~79kWh) but real world differences would be minimal in the 20-80% "daily usage" range.
- AWD has more speakers / better audio
- AWD can have 7 seats if that is required - although would be a hell of squeeze in the Y footprint.

That looks to be it as the other features that used to be split look to have been combined when they split the range between standard and premium.
 
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Shadowness said:
EDIT: you are correct! I assumed Premium was the same trim regardless of drivetrain. Damn.....ok......so basically it's a £50k+ car then.
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if you live in the USA, you would be correct. their premium RWD and AWD both have the 15+2 speaker setup
somehow in the UK, the premium RWD has the downgraded 9 speaker setup only
 
tamzzy said:
if you live in the USA, you would be correct. their premium RWD and AWD both have the 15+2 speaker setup
somehow in the UK, the premium RWD has the downgraded 9 speaker setup only
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Is that worth an extra £600+ a year? Depends how much you like your in car music I suppose.
 
Shadowness said:
Is that worth an extra £600+ a year? Depends how much you like your in car music I suppose.
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i've got a 2022 model 3 with the 14+1 setup, it's pretty good i must say. i'm not an audiophile by any means, but it's definitely not inferior to the HK system on the BMWs (google says the tesla premium audio is better)
not tried the standard speaker setup so i don't have an opinion
 
stuman said:
Not really? I’ve not been anywhere where I’ve not found a good charger. In fact, if it’s not already a thing I’d expect very soon for there to be more fast chargers than petrol stations….
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I've not been able to spend more than 3 seconds looking at any electric car without a dealer telling me that. Most seem to have the google page saved on their phone or computer to show me. Like it's even comparable. I love electric cars and am getting one but fewer petrol stations are servicing 94% of all cars on the road.

What do we think absolute peak sales could be because walking around Cambridge I doubt even 20% of the houses could home charge.
 
My only other worry about getting an EV is the 'golden era' of EV motoring is not going to last, and by that I mean, the cheaper overnight rates, EV cars seemingly being able to get premium parking spaces just because they can charge up (and often they are empty). (I was walking through a few car parks recently that were full, apart from the EV slots. So essentially they are sort of guaranteed spots....if free)
The tax rates etc.....the more and more EVs are on the road, it'll get more expensive to run, as the government will want more and more money from them.

But we are looking at getting solar panels and batteries at our new home, so hoping most of the cost increases (if they come) will not hit as hard.
 
dannyjo22 said:
I love electric cars and am getting one but fewer petrol stations are servicing 94% of all cars on the road.
What do we think absolute peak sales could be because walking around Cambridge I doubt even 20% of the houses could home charge.
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haha need to do the math...this is very general fag packet maths ofc
assumptions:
all ICE cars need to go to a station to fill up, an ICE car can fill up 0-full tank in about 5mins
not all EVs need to go to a rapid charger to fill up, it takes 30 mins to "fill" 60% of the battery (20-80)
an EV has shorter range...assume half the usable range of an ICE if babying the battery (80-20)
so, for the same range, an EV will need to go to a charger twice vs once for an ICE filling up to full each time

say 100,000 cars for the same distance
ICE = full tank -> drive -> fill -> drive
EV = 80 -> drive -> fill -> drive -> fill -> drive

so, if there were 100% ICE cars vs 100% EVs
ICE = total 500,000 minutes spent at the pumps (100k x 5 x 1)
EV, taking your 20% home charging = 80,000 needing to use a rapid charger
= total 4,800,000 minutes spent at a charger (80k x 30 x 2)

fag packet maths says will need about 10x more EV chargers than petrol pumps to avoid larger queues
the reality is probably a lot more nuanced though
 
Shadowness said:
My only other worry about getting an EV is the 'golden era' of EV motoring is not going to last, and by that I mean, the cheaper overnight rates, EV cars seemingly being able to get premium parking spaces just because they can charge up (and often they are empty). (I was walking through a few car parks recently that were full, apart from the EV slots. So essentially they are sort of guaranteed spots....if free)
The tax rates etc.....the more and more EVs are on the road, it'll get more expensive to run, as the government will want more and more money from them.

But we are looking at getting solar panels and batteries at our new home, so hoping most of the cost increases (if they come) will not hit as hard.
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Incredibly quick and dirty maths based on my cost per mile for the first 12 months of EV ownership posted in here the other day, even if they completely bin cheap overnight rates and we move to a standard tariff of around 24p/kW it would still be approx. £1.5k/year cheaper to run than petrol. If you're getting solar and a battery then you're laughing as that's always going to be "free" motoring.

Premium parking spaces isn't a thing I've ever thought about as I generally don't public charge. The tax one is obviously the unknown at the moment until they officially decide how they're going to mess up run the pay per mile thing.
 
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