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ChrisD. said:
Not realising there’s a place for PHEV is being pretty narrow minded. There’s plenty of reasons why they are a good fit.
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From a technical standpoint I do think the use case where PHEV is the best fit is limited tbf. You have to do a combination of a lot of short trips and quite a lot of long trips as well to make PHEV the optimal solution. Otherwise either a BEV or a dirty diesel is the answer.

As we are saying though, the human factor where people who wouldn't get a BEV are now choosing a PHEV rather than a diesel is still a step in the right direction even if it's not the actual best solution.
 
PHEVs are great we have one alongside our EV, superb, no concerns with distance or towing, I wouldn't say the worst of both worlds, it's the best of both worlds, cheap round town city car despite being a two-tonne car and it can do everything else with no EV compromises. Still can hardly pull up to fill an EV with a trailer anywhere.

Ours hasn't been fuelled for 6 months though as we have had a busy year doing other things so it was a bit of a shocker filling it this week for our European trip which I would never consider in an EV, I am not a masochist ;) it was £130 a tank, couldn't pay at pump limit of £120 too low :eek: PHEVs or range extenders are where it's at for me even if cheap rate electrons would take me farther, some things in life are worth paying for, not wasting my time with EV charging on a trip is one of them.

Decoupling the hookup , charging, waiting, recoupling and then to do it again a couple hours later yawn.

Our XC60 might make way for an EX60 but only for our shift to a motorhome if we decide to get a bigger van it'll be another PHEV with a bigger battery.

Definitely works as a gateway drug my missus only wants an EV after using the PHEV, she hates it when the engine is on and she'd like to not have to plug it in every night :D electric suits big wafters like the Volvo.
 
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Not to mention lower weight limit for towing with a full BEV, if you want over 2 tonnes then the options are severely limited and range starts to become comical. Diesel is the clear answer here but we do a lot of short journeys as well which has its own problems not to mention the insane price of the stuff now.
 
Rroff said:
That may be true for a larger amount of people but there are still a lot of people who despite the bulk of their driving being within the electric capabilities of a PHEV have occasional needs which an EV absolutely doesn't cater for - that might only be like 0.1% of trips but it can still be a show stopper if you absolutely have to do that.

Unfortunately I can't find a plug in hybrid which ticks all the boxes for me or I'd buy one today as in current times not having to rely on fuel for the day to day stuff would be great while still able to accommodate contingencies where I have no option but to do longer distances on a tight timetable on short notices.
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For me buying a hybrid because you might need to do a 400 mile non-stop journey at short notice, is just stupid. It’s a very unlikely scenario and you’re burdening yourself for the rest of the time.

It would be like buying a house removal truck as a daily, because you might move house in the next 10 years, and need the space.

Apply the 80 / 20 rule !
 
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SDK^ said:
For me buying a hybrid because you might need to do a 400 mile non-stop journey at short notice, is just stupid. It’s a very unlikely scenario and you’re burdening yourself for the rest of the time.

It would be like buying a house removal truck as a daily, because you might move house in the next 10 years, and need the space.

Apply the 80 / 20 rule !
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This isn't just a case of might - some people actually have to do those longer journeys occasionally whether it is emergency call outs or holiday road trips which don't suit EVs and there is no substitute when the need arises.
 
burden - just have a bit of additional servicing cost ?
If you need an SUV then Lie's choice of Q5 phev seems a good choice, no weight increase over a full bev, and absence of DC charging is compatible with
using it on short journies from home, anyway it would cost you similar to petrol if you could charge public
 
SDK^ said:
If have a hybrid and for the majority of the time you are only using electric then the burdens should be obvious!
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The car is lighter than a BEV ?

Let us know what your view is when you have moved on from ticking options on a sal sac scheme...
 
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tom_e said:
I see we're back to the usual merry go round of edge cases and "it works for me so must work for everyone".
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Yes, and as usual it was started with the same old "worst of both worlds" trope. It also seems there are a surprising number of people living on the edge.

It's surprising how many people are living with the worst of both worlds and lugging around 50+kWh of heavy and expensive unused battery every day.

80/20 rule and all that ;)
 
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So I’ve heard back from FOS and they’ve sided with Alphabet again.


In essence, they’ve argued alphabet have kept me mobile and their compensation is a fair amount.



Having spoken to others, I don’t think the risk, time and effort would be worth taking it further. It seems like a judge would have the same view.



It seems awfully strange to me that you can, essentially, be forced to pay for a contract for a car you’re not given, but have no power to not pay if they don’t uphold their end of the contract.


Especially since the FOS have said I’m still liable for the payments after I handed the keys back.


Hence, I would personally never lease a vehicle in my life ever again, without having the confidence to just stop paying if they don’t fix the car.


I believe I handled the situation with Hyundai much better – I intrinsically know I’d have ended up in the same situation with them.




I shall continue to enjoy the i4 and leave this down to experience.
 
MrRongCar said:
So I’ve heard back from FOS and they’ve sided with Alphabet again.


In essence, they’ve argued alphabet have kept me mobile and their compensation is a fair amount.



Having spoken to others, I don’t think the risk, time and effort would be worth taking it further. It seems like a judge would have the same view.



It seems awfully strange to me that you can, essentially, be forced to pay for a contract for a car you’re not given, but have no power to not pay if they don’t uphold their end of the contract.


Especially since the FOS have said I’m still liable for the payments after I handed the keys back.


Hence, I would personally never lease a vehicle in my life ever again, without having the confidence to just stop paying if they don’t fix the car.


I believe I handled the situation with Hyundai much better – I intrinsically know I’d have ended up in the same situation with them.




I shall continue to enjoy the i4 and leave this down to experience.
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Ouch. To be honest I'm not surprised they came to that conclusion. I'm also not surprised at how you are perplexed that this can be the case as it just seems wrong.

I think you are right on both counts. Once you are outside of that rejection window warranty terms become fuzzy enough that issues get strung along and as for finance... I don't like being on the hook for anything personally let alone something expensive that can go wrong or be damaged by someone beyond your control!
 
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