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EVGA Allegedly Cuts Out Original Developer of Precision Overclocking App

72c is pretty ok considering your ambients. Wee bit cooler over here. On stock fan setting mine will go over 70c easily, but with a 1-1 fan curve it stays below 70 and still stays pretty quiet. Gotta love the wf cooler.
 
Yes was very happy with the WF cooler quiet aswell , was debating getting another and waterblocks but really i think i'll wait till the 800 series or AMD's 390 :)
 
If EVGA can get the OSD to work without giving me BSODs then I'm not fussed. RTSS is an unreliable piece of software that consistently gave me blue screens upon exiting games in which I had been using it, so if EVGA can fix the problems then I'm all for it because I will not be re-installing RTSS any time soon.
 
You guys have read Jacob's official response, ya?

Official reply. Regarding T&C, simple oversight we will update on next release. I suppose it wasn't clear where it originated.

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First, we value the relationship that we have with RivaTuner Alex/Unwinder since Feb.13th, 2008. With EVGA and Alex/Unwinder mutual efforts, Precision has become a very popular overclocking utility since it launched. Afterburner’s first release was in Oct. 2009.

It was originally EVGA’s idea to provide the world’s first “simple” overclocking GUI designed for NVIDIA cards that utilizes some of the Rivatuner technology for free. Due to some misinformation floating around about EVGA Precision recently, we would like to clarify several points. Also, EVGA wouldn’t have any interest to develop our own version if Alex/Unwinder had showed his interest back then like we’ve seen today!

1. The EVGA Precision main GUI (main Window) and format was fully designed and owned by EVGA, that means Alex/Unwinder did not design the Precision GUI at all. The Rivatuner technology was used for the backend like GPU reporting, OSD and overclocking. Other features like voltage tuning, pixel clock control and Bluetooth function were coded by EVGA. We want it to be clear that Rivatuner source code has never been released to EVGA. A year and half after Precision was introduced, Afterburner was released, that shared a lot of the same ideas and concepts originally set by EVGA’s Precision, and also used Rivatuner technology.
2. Most gamers knew that some of the key features that have been requested and missed such as 64bit OSD, voltage control and video recording in the early versions of Precision, yet Afterburner had it. You probably don’t know that some of those ideas were initiated and requested to Alex/Unwinder by EVGA to implement into Precision well before it was available in Afterburner, but Alex/Unwinder had no intention to add it. One year later they showed up in Afterburner exclusively without any notification and/or offer to EVGA. We felt that we became Alex/Unwinder and Afterburner’s free consultant if we continue this route.

We like Precision, the interface and the features, just like most of the gamers in the community, but under these circumstances, it became clear that in order to provide more features that are requested by the community, we needed to recode the back end from the ground up, using our own existing Precision skin designed as merely inspiration, that is why today we have the new EVGA PrecisionX 15. In the latest PrecisionX 15 we have put in some features like 64bit OSD support, Steam achievements and more. We want to make it clear that EVGA PrecisionX 15 is 100% coded in house without using any code from the older Precision due to we don’t have the source code since day one!

EVGA will continue adding features to support the community on PrecisionX15 for free as usual, and hope to inspire other overclocking utilities to be better for the entire gaming community.

The bottom line is that EVGA doesn’t want any third party to dictate what features the community should or should not have!

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The T&C part was definitely the fault of EVGA as well as the guy they paid to make this who just copy-pasted it. The rest of it in there is matching what I have found online from several sources in time including guys like Anand and Hilbert himself. Pretty sure both parties are not all clean, but no legal recourse available to anyone anyway. In the end, PX 15 is more of a beta release now with the bugs and doesn't work with things that did in the previous version so it is obvious this isn't a straight steal job at all.
 
Will this honestly put consumers off buying EVGA products tho? i think not, if they bring out a version of a card with awesome features / speeds etc and priced well, people will buy it regardless of their shady practices in regards to ninjaing code for an app etc.
 
SiDeards73 said:
Will this honestly put consumers off buying EVGA products tho? i think not, if they bring out a version of a card with awesome features / speeds etc and priced well, people will buy it regardless of their shady practices in regards to ninjaing code for an app etc.
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Of course not. Their GPUS are still great.
 
SiDeards73 said:
Will this honestly put consumers off buying EVGA products tho? i think not, if they bring out a version of a card with awesome features / speeds etc and priced well, people will buy it regardless of their shady practices in regards to ninjaing code for an app etc.
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Not in the least. They could make the HSF out of children's skulls and i'd still buy it if was better than the alternative.
 
Its really sad to see big companies use an individuals genius work and not credit that individual for it.

Its sickening for them to then go as far as to claim it their own, and an insult to its creator.

Unwinder has put a lot of his time into this. he could have kept it to himself and made a fortune.
What he did was left it open for anyone to use, in doing so he helped give the industry a great tool.

EVGA's behaviour in this is arrogant, ignorant and utterly unappreciative. shame on them.

I wouldn't blame him if he locked EVGA out of the code from now on, tho he can't as EVGA can afford a much bigger legal team than he can. no doubt.

Its basically stolen from him, EVGA gave him the middle finger
 
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2 sides to every story, I like Unwinder but he is a very angry/short fused at times and burns his own bridges with some peeps.

If you read the official EVGA statement you can see the other side and yes it is true Precision was out well before MSI AB though some seem to forget this.

I was using RivaTuner as far back as I can remember.
 
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First, we value the relationship that we have with Rivertuner Alex/Unwinder since Feb.13th, 2008. With EVGA and Alex/Unwinder mutual efforts, Precision has became a very popular overclocking utility since it launched. Afterburner’s first release was in Oct. 2009.

It was originally EVGA’s idea to provide the world’s first “simple” overclocking GUI designed for NVIDIA cards that utilizes some of the Rivatuner technology for free. Due to some misinformation floating around about EVGA Precision recently, we would like to clarify several points. Also, EVGA wouldn’t have any interest to develop our own version if Alex/Unwinder had showed his interest back then like we’ve seen today!

1. The EVGA Precision main GUI (main Window) and format was fully designed and owned by EVGA, that means Alex/Unwinder did not design the Precision GUI at all. The Rivatuner technology was used for the backend like GPU reporting, OSD and overclocking. Other features like voltage tuning, pixel clock control and Bluetooth function were coded by EVGA. We want it to be clear that Rivatuner source code has never been released to EVGA. A year and half after Precision was introduced, Afterburner was released, that shared a lot of the same ideas and concepts originally set by EVGA’s Precision, and also used Rivatuner technology.
2. Most gamers knew that some of the key features that have been requested and missed such as 64bit OSD, voltage control and video recording in the early versions of Precision, yet Afterburner had it. You probably don’t know that some of those ideas were initiated and requested to Alex/Unwinder by EVGA to implement into Precision well before it was available in Afterburner, but Alex/Unwinder had no intention to add it. One year later they showed up in Afterburner exclusively without any notification and/or offer to EVGA. We felt that we became Alex/Unwinder and Afterburner’s free consultant if we continue this route.

We like Precision, the interface and the features, just like most of the gamers in the community, but under these circumstances, it became clear that in order to provide more features that are requested by the community, we needed to recode the back end from the ground up, using our own existing Precision skin designed as merely inspiration, that is why today we have the new EVGA PrecisionX 15. In the latest PrecisionX 15 we have put in some features like 64bit OSD support, Steam achievements and more. We want to make it clear that EVGA PrecisionX 15 is 100% coded in house without using any code from the older Precision due to we don’t have the source code since day one!

EVGA will continue adding features to support the community on PrecisionX15 for free as usual, and hope to inspire other overclocking utilities to be better for the entire gaming community.

The bottom line is that EVGA doesn’t want any third party to dictate what features the community should or should not have!
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http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ev...rtss-design-concept-into-precisionx-15,9.html
 
Let me know if you do, as I have a custom Bios Skynet peep made for me from newest EVGA Bios build but not sure if I need stock Bios to try 1.3v.

Sounds too good to be true they will let you do 1.3v TBH.
 
It's a bit buggy still, would treat it as a beta release at the moment personally. Voltage controller has been revamped.
 
Gregster said:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ev...rtss-design-concept-into-precisionx-15,9.html
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If your going to post Reponses post them all Greg. come on :p
its not one sided.

Update 5: here is a reaction from Unwinder, the programmer on EVGAs statement:

Well, I’ll give my official statement on it as well. First, let me summarize the terms of our business relationships with the company. According to the contract I had to develop very simple overclocking tool for the company, take the following features from original RivaTuner and fit them into the concept art of EVGA’s skin design:
•Core / Shader / Memory adjustments
•Ability to link/unlink Core/Shader clocks
•Fanspeed adjustment
•Monitoring utility (Monitor temps and all 3 clockspeeds, like Rivatuner monitoring)
•Ability to save clocks / fanspeed on reboot.

Couple years later we extended the list of official contracted product functionality with advanced fan speed control (ability to define curve) and power target / thermal target adjustment support for modern NVIDIA GPUs.

My business obligations per contract were to provide the following support to the product: launch new versions of software to add support for new NVIDIA cards when they are released and fix bugs in the code if the company reports any. No new functionality development in any form was ever assumed. That’s it as it is defined by contract signed by both parties. That’s the functionality we included in the development budget and in royalty fees. That’s how you had to see original EVGA Precision if it was designed by EVGA. And if the company is brave enough to call it “a lot of the same ideas and concepts originally set by EVGA’s Precision” – let it be so.

Yes, I know I made a huge mistake myself, overclocking tools development is a passion and hobby of my life so I tried to combine the hobby and business and started adding new and new things to the project on top of commercially functionality licensed by EVGA. Now I learned the lesson, you cannot do it with business because the companies lose self-control because of greediness.

Anyway, this way Precision was powered up by other advanced features from original RivaTuner: G15 monitoring features, screen capture support, entire On-Screen Display support module, tray icon monitoring and so on. No development budget or royalty fees were ever requested for those features and additionally bundled applications like RTSS and it was absolutely OK for me to develop and support those things freely simply because I liked coding them. So I’m certain that I followed the contract 200%, but if the company thinks differently I see absolutely no problems in terminating the contract. But it is not OK for me to previously licensed things to get stolen. Especially, if the company got free license on them like it was with RTSS. Sorry, EVGA, but it is not OK.

And by the way, the company PR said at least a part of truth: EVGA indeed requested me to add 64bit OSD to Precision before it became available in Afterburner, but did it in rather interesting form. The company expected to add new free feature to RTSS they got freely to use it in commercial product.

Bravo. With Battlefield 4 launch both MSI and EVGA users wanted to get 64bit OSD badly. Both MSI and EVGA knew that it is rather time consuming task, both vendors perfectly realized that it is big job and it is not covered by the contract. MSI preferred to make users happy and invested into development of it. And other vendor preferred to sit and wait while some crazy Russian programmer code it for them freely due to his coding passion. So once again, if the company believe that they can call it “ we became Alex/Unwinder and Afterburner’s free consultant“ let it be so, I can only sadly smile on that.

Alexey Nicolaychuk aka Unwinder, RivaTuner creator
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humbug said:
If your going to post Reponses post them all Greg. come on :p
its not one sided.
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I linked to the forum, so feel free to go look for yourself.

Ohhh and here is another interesting post from Unwinder himself.

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And just to add, I will happily buy EVGA products because they have plenty going for them.
 
Why are people assuming Unwinder owns the code at all? He didn't create Rivatuner, EVGA paid him way before Afterburner even was created and the only thing Unwinder did original was the 64 bit OSD support for all I can find. EVGA did that on their own, and made the mistake of making it look identical to that on Afterburner by possibly reverse engineering Rivatuner since PX 15 doesn't need it, but I don't really see anything stolen or copied at all.
 
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