**EVO Performance Tyre Test 2012**

Lucero said:
True, if the vreds were crap, which they aren't :)
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On a damp road the Verds are pants, they understeer and have loads of wheelspin out of junctions, great on dry or wet roads though.

The AS2 i've been running for the past month or so are nothing short of fantastic, i was running FK452's on the front previously and those would wheelspin and understeer all the time in the wet / damp, totally pathetic in the cold weather too.

On the same car i've used the following (rated in order of performance)

- Goodyear As2
- Goodyear As1
- Goodyear GSD3's
- Vred Ultrac Sessantas
- Falken FK452
- Goodyear Excellence
 
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Firestar_3x said:
i was running FK452's on the front previously and those would wheelspin and understeer all the time in the wet / damp, totally pathetic in the cold weather too.
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Another one of those tyres thats unfairly promoted as great when infact people mean inexpensive I fear..
 
Really didn't rate them, in actual fact my fronts had < 3k worth of use when i changed to the AS2's so people can't even argue i'm comparing to worn out FK452's.

Lots of hype but in actual fact they are nothing more than average tyres at best.
 
[TW]Fox;20954368 said:
I read it in Smiths, I cancelled my Evo sub months back :p
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tut

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[TW]Fox;20954368 said:
Genuine question as I don't know the answer but I wonder how much of this is the tyre and how much is the car? I'd imagine its a bit of both and i guess any tyre choice is a tradeoff between progressiveness and grip. Something that grips super-well will eventually snap whereas something that grips less might be more progressive as it loses grip.
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Of course it's interdependent on the car, my Mondeo has far less mechanical grip than the Integra, driving at slow speeds back to back it's night and day. So it needs working a little more to extract the best out of it, so in theory the Integra could have poorer tyres to achieve the same levels of grip.

So as it's always been and should be wherever there's a 'what tyre' thread what the car is, is very important.


[TW]Fox;20954368 said:
Which is best is therefore a personal thing - some people like the exploitable control on the limit, others prefer the outright grip.
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It's always a personal thing, and no one tyre is ever better than any other at everything. Like the Kuhmo's are better than the Goodyears for price. Kuhmo's can't be compared to a jing-jong tyre from China, they many not be as good but FWIW most owners know this but still defend it as a decent enough tyre, because it is.

(something you touched on in both paragraphs) I don't think you can say that because it has more breakaway it has less overall grip, that's not how it strictly works, there are many factors from compound to tread/sidewall behavior.
 
Overlag said:
i dont understand those tyres at all. A recent trackday showed guys on those tyres were only just faster than me (on CS3's) but as soon as it started raining they all stopped because they had no grip at all, while i was out there with only 2 other cars... a GTR and a Ferrari. Was the most fun ive had on a trackday. Why compromise on wet grip so badly just to gain like 1-2% on dry?
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Join the club, there are a lot of Honda owners that seem completely infatuated by the Parada's and will have nothing else, even citing their tread pattern as a reason to get them.

They were on my DC5 when I first bought it and they were also on the DC2. Both changed in a matter of weeks.
 
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MilanoChris said:
even citing their tread patter as a reason to get them.
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The ones I was going to buy are still for sale, no interest. Maybe the worlds become a better place :p
 
I haven't found the vreds to be bad in the damp. No understeer noticed anyway, the TC light used to come on a bit with them but no more or less than the Assyms I have on the rear at the mo
 
Hmmm, it's tyre time for my rears (245/40/17) and I found this site through tyrereviews website:

http://lovetyres.com/search/tyres/245-40-17

The prices seem pretty good, better than Elite Direct who I normally use but they no longer stock the Vred Ultrac Sessanta. At £119 a tyre they seem very good too.

They have the CS3 as well at just over a tenner more.

Can anyone who has had the Sessanta and then changed to the CS3 post some feedback? I already have a new (since November) Sessantas on the front anyway so the CS3 (if I did get them) would be running alongside them.

The Vreds I find to be excellent in both wet and try. They're more comfortable than the PS2 I used to have but offer the same performance and wear is also very good but I am curious about the CS3!

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ON tyrereviews the CS3 doesn't do that well against the Sessanta:
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Vredestein/Ultrac-Sessanta.htm
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Continental/Sport-Contact-3.htm
 
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Because they are totally subjective user opinion, and thus skewed by perceptions, expectations, price, etc.

I would take CS3 or AS2 though the e46 can be sensitive to missmatched tyres front to back, so in this case it may be worth sticking with the Vreds as they are directional and the others are not.
 
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Sessanta up front as mentioned :p They're 2 months old.

Tyres, y u no be easy choice!

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The AS2 are the same price as well, hmm.
I did have PS2s (all round) and replaced the rears when it was time keeping the PS2s on the front 2 years ago when I first changed to the Sessanta and didn't really notice much difference, I wouldn't have expected to anyway since the rears were only changed but the PS2 did tramline a lot which the Sessanta does not so I'd prefer my next tyres to not have tramlining either.
 
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Have gone through many tire in my time and can give my views on the following:

Hankook Ventus S1 Evo - I currently have the Ventus V12's on my car, they seem to offer good wet and dry performance, they are not as grippy as Goodyear or Michellin, but for the price are an all rounder I guess.

Goodyear Eagle F1 Assymetric 2 - I've never had these, but I did have the Goodyear Eagle F1's before, and they were without doubt the finest tyres I have ever experienced. So therefore going by Fox's recommendation of the F1AS2's they will definitely be my next purchase. My only issue with the original F1's was tyre wear, but this is to be expected with very grippy tires, they are also terrible in the snow :P

Dunlop SP Sport MAXX GT - These came on my current car when I bought it (now been replaced). They were excellent and would highly recommend them, not sure how the price up against the F1AS2's though...

Falken FK452 - Avoid these like the plague, I bought these as they were on offer from camskill and came highly recommended on my enthusiast forum. They weren't particularly cheap either at £80 a corner, but a lot cheaper than others and wanted to give them a try against my Ventus V12's which were £108 per corner. Should have known from the price difference that the FK452's would be this bad. Lesson learnt on this occasion. Will be looking to replace them in the coming months, they will do for now...
 
My Eagle F1AS2s arrived from Camskill today. They have been delivered to my home address, which I do not get to until Thurs. Was trying to get my mum to read out all the markings on the tyre to work out when it was made, but struggling a little with production dates and how they are encoded on there.

In the past its just been a 4 digit number on the sidewall (0411) pointing to the week and year, but this does not seem to be the case on these? Anyone have a set that can help?
 
Type_R said:
My Eagle F1AS2s arrived from Camskill today. They have been delivered to my home address, which I do not get to until Thurs. Was trying to get my mum to read out all the markings on the tyre to work out when it was made, but struggling a little with production dates and how they are encoded on there.

In the past its just been a 4 digit number on the sidewall (0411) pointing to the week and year, but this does not seem to be the case on these? Anyone have a set that can help?
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Still is the 4 digit number as far as I'm aware, so 0411 would be the 4th week of 2011.
 
Get your mum to take photos of both sides instead of reading out numbers? Better luck then :p
 
Me and mrs took out a lefty Camaro with £5ks worth of (I want to say WorTec) options (a UK tuner). It had coil overs, and shock horror, Vred Sessantas, in a bid to help it go around corners better :D

The sales guy said "to help the ride". Please, Mr Salesman, tell me then why it's running on 22"s!!!
 
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