Soldato
Where is Satan these days? We don't hear much about him. Wouldn't it be better to prove he doesn't exist.
Existence of God disproved!
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God= satan
gah don't think that's the right vid theres one where someone asks what he'll do if he dies and finds out god is real and then he goes on about how he would ask him how he would let all the injustice and violence on earth happen, what kind of god is so evil etc
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Soldato
"Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying."
That goes for God, aliens etc etc.
It takes a truly arrogant person to think they know everything.
KaHn
That goes for God, aliens etc etc.
It takes a truly arrogant person to think they know everything.
KaHn
I can't stand this train of thought. It really is just little whinge baby moaning.
Religion is an ancient order of control that was made redundant hundreds of years ago and is absolutely not fit for our modern world. We humans rule ourselves now.
I don't argue that there is or isn't a God or Gods, I argue that if there is then we don't need them anymore, especially when the atrocities that disrupt and cause turmoil in our world is done so in the name of religion. I believe we would be better off without it.
I don't argue that there is or isn't a God or Gods, I argue that if there is then we don't need them anymore, especially when the atrocities that disrupt and cause turmoil in our world is done so in the name of religion. I believe we would be better off without it.
I can't fathom how any decent human being can disagree with anything, Stephen said in that clip. Did, God do all this to punish us for original sin? well why is he so petty and how long is he going to hold this grudge for? it's been what, 2000 years already?
Soldato
World famous atheist Richard Dawkins has to admit that god exisits because he's met him, as proven in this video which is absolute proof of god, no lie, cross my heart and hope to die, on my mothers grave etc. etc. Praise the lord !!!
How does this disprove god? At the most generous, it demonstrates that a deity is not required.
The level of both scientific and philosophical misunderstanding and misrepresentation in this thread is quite concerning.
Soldato
It doesn't. We can never disprove god. Just like we can never disprove the orbiting t-pot or pink unicorns. We can simply assign probability values to these things. It terms of probability, god must be in the t-pot/pink unicorn ball park.
I'm not religious, but no, just no. They aren't comparable and it's disingenuous to suggest so.
Soldato
What are not comparable ? Gods and pink unicorns ? Why ? They both suffer from a severe lack of empirical evidence. So what's the problem ?
What probability do you assign to the principle of parsimony being accurate as opposed to useful for prediction?
To be able to test for something, you have to define a testable hypothesis, I can do that for an orbiting teapot, or a pink unicorn, doing it for something that sits alongside fundamentals of science is somewhat harder.
There is as much empirical evidence for the existence of love as for the existence of god. The scientific process is pretty useless when looking at things that are subjectively defined.
Soldato
Go on then. Do it. When you're done, simply replace pink unicorn for god and you'll have your answer.
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Soldato
There is no empirical evidence for god. So are you saying there is no empirical evidence for love ?
I think we do have empirical evidence for love. There are many examples of people giving their lives to save loved ones for example.
Soldato
They both don't suffer in the same way for having justifiable reasons for believing in them though do they?
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Assuming the pink unicorn lives on earth, all you have to do is check for a population of pink equine mammals with a horn on their head. If I can't find them after completing a suffienct series of tests then we have to accept the null hypothesis as likely to be true. Tests can include observation, DNA testing of likely candidates and so on.
What tests do you propose to look for a god with? How do those tests demonstrate the existence or otherwise of a god? How do you scientifically test for something that doesn't have to follow cause and effect?
It really isn't that simple, and if you think it is, then you must be placing your faith in the a priori assumptions of the scientific method as defining reality rather than an aid to describe reality, and such a position holds no more merit that faith in a deity
Soldato
Actually they do in my opinion. I see no distinction between them when it comes to their existential probability. To me, gods and pink unicorns are equally unlikely.