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I found this fascinating, so thought I'd share.

http://www.newscientist.com/article...en-life-and-death.html?full=true#.U4SJLPldUml

Doctors will try to save the lives of 10 patients with knife or gunshot wounds by placing them in suspended animation, buying time to fix their injuries

NEITHER dead or alive, knife-wound or gunshot victims will be cooled down and placed in suspended animation later this month, as a groundbreaking emergency technique is tested out for the first time.
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Very interesting and I look forward to the results.

thats cool! didnt think we could do this safely yet... shows how much I know
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They aren't freezing anyone just cooling people down to slow down the body so it needs less oxygen etc.

we will likely never be able to freeze a person because the ice crystals do major damage just like they do to frozen vegetables and a human body contains a hell of a lot of water that you just can't remove
 
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could be interesting - the Falklands war had a high survival rate for casualties apparently partly due to the cold climate... and people have survived being trapped under water in cold conditions for far longer than usually expected.

'NEITHER dead or alive' sounds a bit dubious.... they're mostly just slowing everything down surely
 
Remember reading about this yesterday. Looks fascinating! The article I read mentioned replacing all the blood with saline solution so that cells could be cooled to 10 degrees C, so that cells wouldn't need anywhere near as much oxygen to survive. I wonder how much oxygen saline solution can actually carry? I guess at least some otherwise dem fishies wouldn't survive in the big blue sea!

Amazing what modern medicine can achieve these days!
 
arknor said:
Very interesting and I look forward to the results.


They aren't freezing anyone just cooling people down to slow down the body so it needs less oxygen etc.

we will likely never be able to freeze a person because the ice crystals do major damage just like they do to frozen vegetables and a human body contains a hell of a lot of water that you just can't remove
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thats what I thought, but I am sure we would eventually find a way, we may not actually freeze them, but manage to find a way to suspend them to a point where we nearly stop their bodies functioning.
 
dowie said:
could be interesting - the Falklands war had a high survival rate for casualties apparently partly due to the cold climate... and people have survived being trapped under water in cold conditions for far longer than usually expected.

'NEITHER dead or alive' sounds a bit dubious.... they're mostly just slowing everything down surely
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I'd say it's not suspended animation either more like how those people can train their bodies to slow down which enables some pretty incredible feats similar to hibernating animals in a way

most impressive considering he is active under water and not cheating with hyper ventilating like the world record holder that did it in a swimming pool and likely stayed as motionless as possible.
 
Great read, thoroughly fascinating! I found the below bit particularly mind boggling, I hope it goes well for everyone involved!

"After we did those experiments, the definition of 'dead' changed," says Rhee. "Every day at work I declare people dead. They have no signs of life, no heartbeat, no brain activity. I sign a piece of paper knowing in my heart that they are not actually dead. I could, right then and there, suspend them. But I have to put them in a body bag. It's frustrating to know there's a solution."
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Hikari Kisugi said:
There might be implied medical consent for life saving procedures.
This is a trial, a medical trial.
Thats what changes it from treatment into, oh well, lets try it and see.
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so was every other emergancy procedure, once its gets approved thats it. as lo0ng as they can say you'd have died without it i cant see you being able to sue them.
 
It is the US, wait until it happens, someone comes out braindamaged, would have otherwise died, will sue for the costs of lifelong care they now require, or similar.
Better off dead etc, quality of life, loss of limbs.
Wait until consent gets asked for use of experimental procedures without a signed document.
 
Doesn't this happen already for people who've had a stroke or similar.

Remember wathing a problem a few years a go about a bloke mountain climbing had a stroke or heart attack and because of how long he was left for in the cold it basically saved his life.

It was more dramatic and interesting than my synopsis but I'm struggling to think what program it was. Could well have been a Horizon program.
 
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