Explosion in St. Petersburg - Please avoid speculation and show some respect

News sites seem short on updates. Either that or I'm hoping there's not been any more deaths.
 
dowie said:
I think this is quite clearly wrong but it isn't really the place to discuss it at length - the UK is pretty careful with its bombing and very efficient at avoiding civilian casualties, the US is better than Russia too tbh.. perhaps less stringent approach than the UK but still generally single, guided munitions. Russians on the other hand are quite happy to drop a load of unguided bombs through cloud cover even. The approaches are pretty different and to argue there Russians have done more than the West to protect civilians is a bit silly.
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I am not criticising UK or even USA in the matter of civilian casualties - I think they do an exceptional job of minimising civilian causalities. I am simply disagreeing with the meme that Russia is indiscriminate. It was the Russian army that put in place a long-running evacuation corridor for the civilians of Aleppo. Yet Russia's bombing of Aleppo is frequently thrown up without caveat as some example of Russians not giving a **** about civilians. Anyway, agreed this is neither the time nor the place so that will be my last post on the subject here. RIP to the victims of this tragedy.
 
bingham67 said:
Horrible to see this I wouldnt want to be that guy when the Spetsnaz get hold of him in the hours or days to come
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I was about to comment that it was a suicide bomber, but have just read that no, in fact they weren't. The Russian police are looking for two men - one left the device inside a train (which went off) and the other left theirs at a station (which did not). I hope those are the only devices.
 
The device that didn't explode:
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I'm not an expert on bomb-making but I presume all those small spheres are glass or metal to create shrapnel. Horrific that someone could build this.
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
I never said that, I pointed out that this horrible vicious circle of death and destruction won't be solved by either side upping the death count!
Having the mindset that the west/us can do no wrong and it's all the baddies fault is neither helpful or constructive!
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ISIS don't exist because the West killed some civilians, do you understand that? These attacks aren't a case of angry people getting their own back, ISIS actively kill civilians on purpose; not as collateral while fighting legitimate military targets
 
h4rm0ny said:
I'm not sure what your source is. The Russian army spent a couple of months at considerable cost and risk, maintaining a safe corridor for civilians to flee Aleppo prior to the bombing. I would not say Russia has done any less to protect civillians in their military actions in Syria than the West and arguably has done more.

In any case, RIP to the victims and my thoughts with their surviving loved ones and friends.
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Civilians killed by Russian airstrikes: 4,674
Civilians killed by US-led coalition airstrikes: 862

Not saying they are purposely targeting civilans but they either seem to be running on faulty Syrian intelligence or don't care killing 1 rebel even if 10 civilians die. But they defnitely not have done more than the Western coalition - not by a longshot. They are more concerned keeping Assad in power, not defeating ISIS.
 
Well turns out this guy has turned himself in claiming to not have done it and now police are going with angle of suicide bomber
 
Attention: Non-Amish looking man is not suspect.

Suspects could still be Amish. All citizens should be on the lookout for people with silly hats who sound Dutch.
 
Armageus said:
No but I will happily put you on one if you'd prefer? Just for a change it would be nice for a thread about an attack not to turn into the normal Islam/Isis/Muslim etc. discussion that has been done to death.
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What exactly do you want people to say? thoughts and prayers? that kind of non sense?

We have enough suppression of speech as it is these days, with this forum being the latest victim, its a real shame.
 
Johno please? said:
What exactly do you want people to say? thoughts and prayers? that kind of non sense?
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Clearly not - but certain people seem happy to set the tone of the thread e.g the first reply to the thread was "I hope it's Isis related." before anything had even been confirmed. The last few threads relating to terrorist attacks have all gone the same way, usually including some or all of the following: muslim bashing, it ultimately being the west's fault, off topic polictical views, and disrespectful "oh look random people died"
 
So after all the speculative Syria posts, evil Western foreign policy nonsense form various posters it seems he's not a Syrian after all...

could easily be related to various other things - could be a Chechen etc.. we don't really need to speculate specifics now, hopefully the scumbag gets caught soon and RIP to the people who died :(
 
dowie said:
So after all the speculative Syria posts, evil Western foreign policy nonsense form various posters it seems he's not a Syrian after all...

could easily be related to various other things - could be a Chechen etc.. we don't really need to speculate specifics now, hopefully the scumbag gets caught soon and RIP to the people who died :(
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That was my first thought as there has been numerous attacks by chenchens in russia.

They obviously took some time out from arresting gay people.
 
h4rm0ny said:
I'm not sure what your source is. The Russian army spent a couple of months at considerable cost and risk, maintaining a safe corridor for civilians to flee Aleppo prior to the bombing. I would not say Russia has done any less to protect civillians in their military actions in Syria than the West and arguably has done more.

In any case, RIP to the victims and my thoughts with their surviving loved ones and friends.
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yeah but the Russians are help the wrong civilians you see,.

they're helping the government civilians not the anti government civilians.

so its bad!
 
diamount said:
Civilians killed by Russian airstrikes: 4,674
Civilians killed by US-led coalition airstrikes: 862

Not saying they are purposely targeting civilans but they either seem to be running on faulty Syrian intelligence or don't care killing 1 rebel even if 10 civilians die. But they defnitely not have done more than the Western coalition - not by a longshot. They are more concerned keeping Assad in power, not defeating ISIS.
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genuine curiosity here but how do you count deaths ina city that is occupied by the enemy?
 
Guarantee you that if this was on US or British soil, ISIS would have claimed it by now. They know Russia is a far more dangerous animal to provoke.
 
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