F1 2012 - teams and drivers

Duke · 3 Oct 2011 at 21:01

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/10/03/kubica-raikkonen-2012-f1-driver-market/

Top teams are pretty much the same for next year. A few opening spaces elsewhere. Guess it comes down to Kubica.

I think we'll see more changes in 2013 with the likelihood of a space at Red Bull and Di Resta maybe going to Mercedes.

ZG002 · 3 Oct 2011 at 21:07

I'm expecting a change at Ferrari 2013 also with Massa going, Will see though.

Skeeter · 3 Oct 2011 at 21:30

Yep. In 2013 Riciardo to Red Bull (lol at the Toro Rosso guys inability to prove themselves), Perez to Ferrari and Di Resta to Mercedes. Don't know where Massa will go though. Possibly to one of the opening spaces, Merc maybe, or Sauber?

ZG002 · 3 Oct 2011 at 21:43

possibly to a test driver role? Saying that someone down the grid will want him and I can't see Ferrari totally turning their back on him after his accident.

Skeeter · 3 Oct 2011 at 21:52

Sauber then?

ZG002 · 3 Oct 2011 at 21:59

Driver swap, Can't see why not yeah. Good call

arknor · 3 Oct 2011 at 22:13

love to see di resta with schumacher

rosberg has been a let down this year hes leading on points yes but if you compare the laptimes from the last 7 or so races its obvious he doesnt have the pace needed fro championship battles, at best hes a poor version of button.

merc would be better of getting di resta and having him learn from schumacher without any silly mind games that nico did turning the team against him.

costa said:
Is Schumi the same you knew?
‘Yes. He struggled at the beginning because a 3 years stop is a big thing. But now he's back to his levels. And Rosberg is very competitive as well’.

costa said:
It was Alonso who wanted you to leave?
‘No comment, I'm working for Schumi now’.

its pretty obvious who the team leader is in merc this year everyone seems to have lost faith in rosberg seeing as he always blames the car and never admits his own failings its not really a suprise.

added his mind games "could have" "would have" "should have" comments

ZG002 · 3 Oct 2011 at 22:17

Rosberg seems to have just been forgotten on the tv coverage, Totally forgot about him lol.

Skeeter · 4 Oct 2011 at 00:13

ZG002 said:
Rosberg seems to have just been forgotten on the tv coverage, Totally forgot about him lol.

TBH, Mercedes have kinda blended into the background.

Arknor, I disagree. MSc is good, but hes 1 year (or less) away from proper retirement. Rosberg has plenty of time left in him yet. It makes sense for them to want to keep him and bring in some fresh blood.

Oh, and as for the 'MSc is faster on lap times' thing, last time I checked the WDC was handed out to the guy with the most points, not the guy who sets a faster lap. So using the scale by which the F1 championship is measured, Rosberg is doing better than MSc.

You can invent any sort of measuring technique you like to make MSc look better, but untill the FIA use it to decide the championship, its a completely worthless excersise.

arknor · 4 Oct 2011 at 00:46

and the one who leads the WDC if your given a top car is the one who can deliver the race pace which rosberg can not theres no point keeping him on as the future of mercedes as hes clearly not it.

he cant be that intrested in the team or he would have signed already.
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=chart&gp=854&graf=3&dr1=Michael Schumacher&dr2=Nico Rosberg

nico in singapore was embarrasing

MissChief · 4 Oct 2011 at 01:37

Rosberg will be kept at Mercedes as they'll want at least one german driver simply because they're a German team.

As has been said, Perez to Ferrari, Massa to Sauber, Hamilton and Button staying put, Webber retire at the end of 2012. nNot sure about Ricciardo, he'll get one of the Torro Rosso seats full time next season I reckon so it depends if he impresses or not. Di Resta to Mercedes when Schu retires. I'd still like to see Kobayashi given a really good car but I can't really see where that's going to happen.

Skeeter · 4 Oct 2011 at 09:16

arknor said:
nico in singapore was embarrasing

As opposed to Schumacher, who shone with brilliance?

Lol.

MissChief said:
I'd still like to see Kobayashi given a really good car but I can't really see where that's going to happen.

With the lack of a Japanese team on the grid theres no obvious place for him to go. I would be happy for him to stay at Sauber, push them hard, and provide us with some enjoyable watching.

Cant wait to see him at Suzuka, LEEEEEROOOOY!

arknor · 4 Oct 2011 at 13:10

when your 1-1.5 seconds slower than your team mate yes your embarrasing but your a known schumacher hater so i wont waste my time.

on nearly every other f1 forum people comprehend rosberg has been beaten on pace the last half dozen races and his career nlonger looks as bright as it once did.

mercedes need a top tier driver if they ever want to compete with redbull , mclaren and ferrari and i dont see nico beeing the future of mercedes

koolpc · 4 Oct 2011 at 13:13

Will anyone be watching it next year!! lol

Skeeter · 4 Oct 2011 at 14:37

arknor said:
when your 1-1.5 seconds slower than your team mate yes your embarrasing but your a known schumacher hater so i wont waste my time.

Lol, I'm not a Schumacher hater. I think hes done a good job considering a 3 year break and massive rule changes. He's also a far more likeable person this time around compared to his Ferrari days.

What I am, is a Schumacher Fanboy hater.

Rosberg is ahead of Schumacher in the Championship. Rosberg is therefore doing better than Schumacher. Simples.

Duke · 4 Oct 2011 at 21:16

Skeeter said:
He's also a far more likeable person this time around compared to his Ferrari days.

This is true. I used to despise him and Ferrari during their best years. I now actually quite like him he has chilled out a bit. It would be nice if he was able to get another win or two in but doubt it will happen - podiums maybe though.

Skeeter · 4 Oct 2011 at 22:44

I'm with you, when he was at Ferrari, I hated him.

However, I would be genuinely happy to see him get another win.

englishpremier · 5 Oct 2011 at 08:53

Schumacher struggles in qualifying for some reason. This season he has often been faster that Rosberg in free practise and much faster and racer during GPs.

He did suffer that engine(?) problem in monaco, and a DNF recently. I believe Rosberg also had a DNF not too long ago too.

arknor · 9 Oct 2011 at 12:12

Skeeter said:
Rosberg is ahead of Schumacher in the Championship. Rosberg is therefore doing better than Schumacher. Simples.

another epic drive from rosberg :rolleyes:

loved all the overtaken he did! oh wait he was following cars cautiously rather than beeing an actual racer it was his same journeyman drive i have came to expect from him.

hes lucky he made up 25seconds from the safety car or he would have still been down in 16th place at the end

aparently nico wants to move to ferrari anyway...

Skeeter · 9 Oct 2011 at 16:11

Michael Schumacher: Started 7th. Finished 6th. Total progress in 53 laps.... 1 place
Nico Rosberg: Started 23rd, Finished 10th. Total progress in 53 laps........... 13 places

Michael Schumacher: World Championship points 60. Position in the WDC..... 8th
Nico Rosberg: Word Championship points 63. Position in the WDC................ 7th

Mercedes: WCC points 123. Position in WCC... 4th
Ferrari: WCC points 292. Position in WCC....... 3rd

:rolleyes: