F1 2012 - teams and drivers

Schumacher got the best (well slightly better actually ) result that car was capable of.

Rosberg finished where he should have from his start position.

The Merc is around 1 second a lap slower than the top 3 teams, but about 1 second a lap faster than the Renault and their nearest competitors.

Jenson only made the same amount of progress as Michael did and he won the race, so your simplistic view is useless.
 
Skeeter said:
Michael Schumacher: Started 7th. Finished 6th. Total progress in 53 laps.... 1 place
Nico Rosberg: Started 23rd, Finished 10th. Total progress in 53 laps........... 13 places

Michael Schumacher: World Championship points 60. Position in the WDC..... 8th
Nico Rosberg: Word Championship points 63. Position in the WDC................ 7th

Mercedes: WCC points 123. Position in WCC... 4th
Ferrari: WCC points 292. Position in WCC....... 3rd


:rolleyes:
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probably 10 of them via the pitts ..
look the race info rosberg was in 18th place for a whole 4 laps , 2 laps in 17th etc.

mind boggling when you consider how much faster the merc is than most of the cars in a drag race, schumacher managed the fastest s3 of the race
 
arknor said:
probably 10 of them via the pitts ..
look the race info rosberg was in 18th place for a whole 4 laps , 2 laps in 17th etc.

mind boggling when you consider how much faster the merc is than most of the cars in a drag race, schumacher managed the fastest s3 of the race
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probably cause he cut the chicane :D
 
Skeeter said:
Yet he only made up a single position? Mind boggling indeed.
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dont tell me hamilton or button would have won the championship in the merc :rolleyes:
anyway was more than 1 position :rolleyes:

where did hamilton finish again ? 2 places below where he started and only 3 seconds infront of a much slower merc...
 
Jut seen some interesting news about a front wing F-duct done by Merc GP.

AMuS said:
According to AMuS, Mercedes is developing a FW F-duct for their 2012 car, which they have tested in Suzuka

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http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-...12-4051930.html

Don't feel like translating it myself, so parts of google translate:

Normally, the oval hole in the tip of the nose glued shut MGPW02. In Suzuka it was open. You could see a split in the middle hole. Through this air is introduced into the front wings. Example for this system is the F-duct in the rear wing, which came into fashion in the preseason.

The air is then passed via a pipe system from the front wing stilts in the right and left of the main sheet. If the back pressure a certain amount, the air blows on the underside of the wing with a total of four slots. The driver, the system must not like the F-duct aktvieren manually in the previous year.

The trick to flow under the wing towards the underbody is calmed. By how much, about the experts disagree. McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh is estimated between five and eight km / h. He notes, however, that this technique is difficult to get a grip. Mercedes could have pulled so early with his development beginning in the lottery."If you make a start now, is already late."

Whitmarsh believes that other teams now will also start developing this technology. The technical regulations are so restrictive that you have to use every little loophole.
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It was, previously. I think it also helps reduce pressure inside the nosebox too. It's been on most cars for the last 10/15 years.

Quite a clever idea, although I can't see it making as much of a difference as the Fduct, as this doesn't appear to act on the entireity of the wing, just the first 40cm or so.
 
So instead of a the driver controlling the f-duct manually it's activated by large amounts of down force on the aero components (and thus will be triggered at high speed)? Sounds like a complete bitch to tune.
 
This is why I love F1, that is a genius idea.

It works in the same way as the early F Duct ideas before McLaren did it, where the airflow wasn't controlled, but instead just increased naturally as the speed increased.

I cant remember which team it was in 2009 (maybe Toyota), but one of them had a slot in the rear wing that channelled air up and through to the back and performed a 'stall' just like the F Duct did. It was entirely passive, so while it would have increased straight line speed with reduced drag, it would have also meant lower down force in fast corners.
 
How does Sutil continue to get drives? I don't hate the guy, but I'm struggling to think of anything he's done of note. Being better than Liuzzi is about the only compliment I can give him.

I'd go with Di Resta and Hulk any day. They might not have experience on their side, but I'm not sure experience of performing at about average in average teams is that worth it.
 
Weebull said:
How does Sutil continue to get drives? I don't hate the guy, but I'm struggling to think of anything he's done of note. Being better than Liuzzi is about the only compliment I can give him.

I'd go with Di Resta and Hulk any day. They might not have experience on their side, but I'm not sure experience of performing at about average in average teams is that worth it.
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He qualified 2nd at Monza in a Force India, finished 4th and recorded the fastest lap of the race. He's also finished 15 times in the top 10 in the past 2 seasons, very solid driver imo and just shows how good Paul di Resta is.

Certainly numerous other drivers on the grid atm that are less deserving.
 
Baboonanza said:
So instead of a the driver controlling the f-duct manually it's activated by large amounts of down force on the aero components (and thus will be triggered at high speed)? Sounds like a complete bitch to tune.
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its how mercedes f-duct was anyway which is why they had a lot of issues early on in the season mainly due to crosswinds
 
englishpremier said:
Sutil must be in. As others have said he is very solid. He's way out scored Di Resta this season too, who even though he is new to F1 is highly rated.
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Code: 
11  Adrian Sutil    9   11  15  13  13  7   Ret 9   11  6   14  7   Ret 8   11  11          28
14  Paul di Resta   10  10  11  Ret 12  12  18† 14  15  13  7   11  8   6   12  10          21

I wouldn't say that's way out-scoring. :p
 
I'd like to see Di Resta and Hulkenberg at FI next season, would like to think the two of them being so hungry could really push each other.

Have to feel a bit for Hulkenberg, he lost his seat without really doing anything wrong, but obviously doesn't have the sponsers some have.

I seem to remeber Brundle mentioning Sutil's Medion sponsor being worth a fair amount, I could be mistaken though.
 
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