F1: Hungary

Sone · 6 Aug 2006 at 23:06

i personnaly detest jenson button, he always has an excues and blames the team on numerous occasions. But this race he drove very well and as i think James Allen said his smooth style will suit wet racing, look how well Damon Hill did in the wet in the smooth arrows v8. Perhaps a win could lift him to the next level, but probably not

frogboy · 7 Aug 2006 at 00:07

Button is a driver who rarely makes mistakes, he's not a hot head like others. With that in mind it is perfectly acceptable for him to blame the car/team etc. If your giving 110% and still not getting anything in return, then it can't be all your fault.

DanTheMan · 7 Aug 2006 at 03:01

It just had to be the first Grand Prix I've missed in 2 years didn't it

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Duke · 7 Aug 2006 at 08:09

Zip said:
It looks like Jenson pushed all the right Buttons in that race

I'm sure all the media will Button-up now.

Sone · 7 Aug 2006 at 08:16

frogboy said:
Button is a driver who rarely makes mistakes, he's not a hot head like others. With that in mind it is perfectly acceptable for him to blame the car/team etc.

not imho. teams should stick together and publicly blameing the is not good, look when schmu was doing badly in 96, it was always the teams is working hard but not quite there, Jenson comes out with blunt replies like the cars not good enough.

Button should watch a few american races to see how he should talk about the team

D4VE · 7 Aug 2006 at 09:03

Sone said:
not imho. teams should stick together and publicly blameing the is not good, look when schmu was doing badly in 96, it was always the teams is working hard but not quite there, Jenson comes out with blunt replies like the cars not good enough.

Button should watch a few american races to see how he should talk about the team

Its quite refreshing to find someone who is honest, all the other drivers have nothing to say.

Anyway, great to see Button win at last

PsiFox · 7 Aug 2006 at 09:12

Remember Mika Hakkinen.

Started in F1 in 1991 but didn't win until 1997.

timbob · 7 Aug 2006 at 09:29

PsiFox said:
Remember Mika Hakkinen.

Started in F1 in 1991 but didn't win until 1997.

Agreed - the length of time it takes to win a race is not indicative of how good a driver you are. Like Button, Hakkinen was trapped in mediocre machinery until McLaren came good towards the end of '97, then aced the regulation changes into '98.

Barichello also, started in 1993 raced with Jordan and Stewart, and all of a sudden, 7 years later he got a decent seat with Ferrari, and suddenly won 9 races with them.

It's a sorry state of affairs for a sport, but unless you have the right car, you cannot win. Button proved everyone wrong today with a storming, flawless drive, but in reality, there's only really 3 people on the grid at the moment who can win a race - unless they go out and someone else gets lucky. Rain however is a great equaliser, and lets driver talent shine through inferior machinery - step forward JB, who is renowned throughout the paddock for having incredibly precise throttle control, and for being very smooth and easy on his car. Traits which the late, great Jim Clark was famous for......

[can open, worms everywhere]

el_dazza · 7 Aug 2006 at 12:58

PsiFox said:
Remember Mika Hakkinen.

Started in F1 in 1991 but didn't win until 1997.

I thought the same earlier, took him 90 odd races before his first win. Also, look at Eddie Irvine, raced at jordan for many moons and then turns up at ferrari. Took him 4 years to win a race with them as well

siztenboots · 7 Aug 2006 at 13:54

timbob said:
Agreed - the length of time it takes to win a race is not indicative of how good a driver you are. Like Button, Hakkinen was trapped in mediocre machinery until McLaren came good towards the end of '97, then aced the regulation changes into '98.

Barichello also, started in 1993 raced with Jordan and Stewart, and all of a sudden, 7 years later he got a decent seat with Ferrari, and suddenly won 9 races with them.

It's a sorry state of affairs for a sport, but unless you have the right car, you cannot win. Button proved everyone wrong today with a storming, flawless drive, but in reality, there's only really 3 people on the grid at the moment who can win a race - unless they go out and someone else gets lucky. Rain however is a great equaliser, and lets driver talent shine through inferior machinery - step forward JB, who is renowned throughout the paddock for having incredibly precise throttle control, and for being very smooth and easy on his car. Traits which the late, great Jim Clark was famous for......

[can open, worms everywhere]

Driver that immediately springs to mind is Jean Alesi, only one win in 201 races. But still a great driver.

rpstewart · 7 Aug 2006 at 14:24

siztenboots said:
Driver that immediately springs to mind is Jean Alesi, only one win in 201 races. But still a great driver.

Indeed, in terms of pure car control he's up there with Villeneuve, Petersen et al but never had the machinery underneath him to turn it into race victories. Unfortunately he thought with his heart rather than his head and reneged on a Williams drive in 1991 for a seat at Ferrari - Frank has a Ferrari 641 in the Williams museum as part of the compensation deal. What I'm not sure of is whether it was alongside or instead of Mansell but in either case I'm sure Jean would have made a real fight of the championships in the early 90s.

I still remember watching Canada '95, I was actually talking him round the last 10 or so laps much to the amusement of my flatmate at the time

PsiFox · 7 Aug 2006 at 15:03

AAH Jim Clark. I count myself as being old enought to have met and watched him race back in the sixties.

Still have the pics somewhere of me chatting to him and Colin Chapman.

Zip · 7 Aug 2006 at 17:31

I would like to point out that the reason Jenson had better Tyres through out the race and tyres that lasted him for a bloody long time is because he would have treated them better then the other drivers did.

That is all

Creature · 7 Aug 2006 at 18:14

Villeneuve dropped by BMW

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=28978

Mark Webber move to Red Bull for next season

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=28984

rpstewart · 7 Aug 2006 at 19:18

Creature said:
Villeneuve dropped by BMW

Unsurprising tbh, JV's never really fitted in at Sauber either as the quiet independents or in the new BMW corporate era.

Creature said:
Mark Webber move to Red Bull for next season

Not sure if I'm surprised or not about this one, Renault must have Hieke K signed up already to pass on Mark. Red Bull I think would be anyone's 4th choice after Renault, Ferrari & McLaren these days. With a Newey designed car and Renault, Ferrari or Cosworth power (depending on who you listen to) the RB3 is going to be a nice package

sunama · 7 Aug 2006 at 19:48

If I was Renault I wouldve tried to get Mark Webber. In all honesty during his time at Williams he hasnt done much wrong. The cars that Williams have produced over the last 18 months really have been terrible in comparison to those produced when Adrian Newey was at Williams.

Who can remember the all conquering WIlliams in the early 90's when they would generally turn in times that were at least 1 second ahead of everyone else. I remember in 1992 when Mansell at Silverstone produced a time 2 seconds faster than his team mate Patrese in qualifying who was a further 0.5 seconds ahead of the rest of the field. THATS how far ahead Williams were!

Duke · 7 Aug 2006 at 20:44

Bit of a shame about JV. I couldn't stand him until this season when he started to prove himself.. then he goes.

Webber to RBR could be very good. Back to the old team (Jag) again

JRS · 7 Aug 2006 at 21:34

Creature said:
Villeneuve dropped by BMW

Sad way to end for any former champion really. If he hadn't been a stroppy git and fallen out with Dave Richards he could have been the one to get BAR/Honda's first win.

Webber at RBR - that may well be a good move with Newey designing the car next season, I reckon he'd go well with DC as a team mate.

rpstewart · 7 Aug 2006 at 22:07

JRS said:
Webber at RBR - that may well be a good move with Newey designing the car next season, I reckon he'd go well with DC as a team mate.

That's going to be interesting to see however I have a sneaking suspicion that DC will have the upper hand next year simply because Newey knows what kind of car DC can make best use of.

Pointless fact of the day (assuming my thoughts are correct) - the current RB2 is only the third car that DC has had in 13 years of F1 that Adrian Newey hasn't had a major hand in designing.

JRS · 7 Aug 2006 at 22:11

rpstewart said:
Pointless fact of the day (assuming my thoughts are correct) - the current RB2 is only the third car that DC has had in 13 years of F1 that Adrian Newey hasn't had a major hand in designing.

'96 Mclaren, '97 Mclaren, and the current RBR car, so I reckon you're correct in your thoughts.

***edit***

Ah, forgot last year's RBR car. So you were almost correct.