F1 Testing 2014: Week 3 Bahrain

[Mr Jack]

Ditto all of the above. I stopped actually reading the posts within a race thread years ago haha.

I usually read the comments during the race and give up quickly in the aftermath as it dissolves into the same argument between the same posters.

Pity; the good stuff is still good.

 

[MissChief]

I've not been keeping up with the F1 2014 news but is that silly double points rule for the final race still in place or have the FIA seen sense and got rid?

It's still in. Unfortunately. If Red Bull win it at the last race I will be livid.

 

[FrankJH]

drivel and guessing.

Typical post

and FYI ALL the engines are new, I would have thought that was obvious (in the sense that none of them have yet done anywhere like the required distances they will be required to get to in-season without getting penalties for changing one)

Rosberg and Hamilton both had gearbox failures in the last test whehter you like it or not. The fact that you cant see that it was a bit of a fecitious comment on my part about 89 laps on each before they failed just proves what un=necessary twaddle you continually post.

I stand by the fact that teams would not waste what limited track time they have by using a major componant like a gear box that they even suspect will break (and therefore waste several hours in the pitlane rather than out on the track testing). a New front wing or something, which can be changed in seconds is one thing, a gearbox that takes hours is another question entirely.

While Merc's engine is probably the best of the bunch, its fair to say that their gearbox still has to be proven to be reliable.

Given the additional laps ALL cars have to do on any given race weekend once teh cars are in park ferme it is effectively 5 GP distances per engine / gearbox before penalties are applied (which is what I said originally)

 

[drunkenmaster]

Yes, it is a typical post, where you say something stupid, stick with it for multiple posts, then pretend you didn't mean it in the first place. They replaced two gearboxes, there is no confirmation anywhere the second one was a complete failure, it probably was, but Merc specifically told everyone the Tuesday one was a failure and from every comment I can find they haven't said it was a failure but a glitch. But as per, you know better than Merc, I'm merely going off what Merc say.... in the future I will ask you what failed on F1 cars as you have better info?

They are all new engines... I don't even know what you mean by that? Are you saying they use a new engine every day? None have done anything like the distance in season, more drivel? Merc confirmed as did sky and everyone else that the engine that went on the Merc did 6 days of testing in bahrain, as said this was 500+ laps and WELL over 5 race distances before it went.

There comes a point in every test where different things are most important. No one ran 100% engine speed at the first test, overall laps and testing other systems was more important, there was a reason Merc tried 100% and qualy runs towards the end of test 2, because while that wasn't important in the first week, it moved up the list of things to try in the second week despite the fact that the engine could have gone and ended testing for the day.

Likewise in the third week towards the end of testing Mclaren, Williams and Merc had their biggest failures....... engines going, confirmed using old parts and happy to find out they failed beyond what they were expected to do, but the teams don't use old parts and risk losing testing time do they. Merc had gearbox failures, so did Mclaren, Red Bull, Ferrari(that I checked in to, most teams likely did).

To assume reliability and not knowing how long an engine or gearbox lasts and wouldn't be tested...... in testing, because you might lose a day.... but they would test this in the season when they might lose an entire race, belies your understanding of the word TESTING. The very reason for testing is so you can test things without the risk of ruining a race. You WANT problems to crop up in testing ahead of the race.

So I think we can sum up that you're wrong on most counts, we KNOW for a fact as confirmed by everyone out there that Merc and Williams have had engine failures FAR beyond what those engines would have been required to do in season, we can presume Merc's first gearbox failure had also done beyond the required distance. We know that Williams and Merc(and likely all teams) ran older heavily used engines for large parts of testing despite the massive risk of losing time. This pretty much tells us for a fact the teams value data on failing parts as much as anything else, it's crucial to reliability, having an idea, in fact solid data that can tell you how much life is left in a part can easily be the difference between winning a constructors title and coming way down. If you can be reasonably sure a part will fail before the next race distance, a 10 grid penalty is a hugely smaller penalty than not finishing at all.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Remember Merc had two gear box failures in the last test both after 89 laps.

So Aus may well be a cake walk for them, but the 2nd race is where it starts to get interesting.

(I think the componants have to be used in consistant races but I could be imagining that)

first post

because in testing they are going to change out a major componant for one already well used, seems highly unlikely

At least one of them lasted just over 1 GP (which is usually 60 - 70 laps plus another 9 - 10 at least for quali)

While not impossible - its highly unlikely the BBC would have said that either / both only lasted 89 laps when it was in fact a well used one from previous tests.

first response which wasn't to me.

At the time the BBC definitely mentioned that Rosberg and Hamilton both had a gearbox failure after 89 laps, and the way it was written certainly suggested both were brand new gearboxes.

another response...... a serious response from you, in which you again claim something no one ever said, both the failed after 89 laps AND suggesting both units were new.

I wrote unnecessary twaddle, responding to this....... but this was just you being facetious, you never meant the gearboxes both failed after 89 laps? This is a joke, you replied to multiple posts in a serious way with no hint of a joke.... but the whole time you knew it wasn't true?

Sure... you stick by your never ending ridiculous arguments of things you've misunderstood, then when you finally realise you're talking BS, you pretend it was a joke to start with... okay.

the only place 89 laps comes up anywhere is Merc completed 89 laps on day one, and 89 laps on day two. No one anywhere has suggested either gearbox lasted only 89 laps, because the gearboxes aren't new each day AND the gearboxes failed after day TWO and after day THREE, there were 103 laps between the gearbox failures, and some 500+ laps likely on the first gearbox.

but you weren't wrong, you were making a joke the whole time, trying to be witty.... by claiming the BBC said something, over and over again, and responding to different people for like 2-3 days over a claim you made.

okay, you tell yourself that.