Face ID

Squink · 2 Sep 2018 at 19:43

Will Apple drop Face ID immediately they figure out how to get under screen finger prints to work properly?

My wife is probably getting a new iPhone for her birthday and doesn't like the idea of having to pick her phone you every time she wants to unlock it.

Or will Apple stubbornly persist with Face ID for the next few iterations?

Mr_Cool · 2 Sep 2018 at 19:54

Nope Apple are very much all in with FaceID.
They didn't purchase the company behind Kinect and FaceID for nothing.

Apple had several options including moving the fingerprint to the back or to the side and they chose to drop it completely, I'd say that shows your their stance.

FaceID will go from strength to strength.

Somnambulist · 2 Sep 2018 at 19:55

Face ID is more secure than Touch ID, so no. Expect iPads (next models) and Macs to eventually adopt it.

Squink · 2 Sep 2018 at 20:37

Is it feasible for Face ID to work in situations where the phone is on a desk nearby and you want to unlock it without picking the phone up? I must admit I don't know much about the technology, but I always found Touch ID to be vastly more convenient than any other unlocking method (I have a Galaxy S8 at the moment and it's a faff having to lift the phone)

Captain · 2 Sep 2018 at 21:01

mulpsmebeauty said:
Is it feasible for Face ID to work in situations where the phone is on a desk nearby and you want to unlock it without picking the phone up? I must admit I don't know much about the technology, but I always found Touch ID to be vastly more convenient than any other unlocking method (I have a Galaxy S8 at the moment and it's a faff having to lift the phone)

I understand your annoyance, sometimes i try and lean over to my X to unlock it but it fails to unlock most of the time so i have to pick it up.

Rimsy · 3 Sep 2018 at 13:41

Somnambulist said:
Face ID is more secure than Touch ID, so no. Expect iPads (next models) and Macs to eventually adopt it.

It may be more secure but its undoubtedly less convenient and easy to use than a good old fingerprint scanner. Still very surprised Apple went down the face ID route as it makes their products harder to use than their previous technology.

Steedie · 3 Sep 2018 at 15:09

Rimsy said:
It may be more secure but its undoubtedly less convenient and easy to use than a good old fingerprint scanner. Still very surprised Apple went down the face ID route as it makes their products harder to use than their previous technology.

I'd argue the opposite. I think it's far more convenient.

I hated not being able to get in my phone if my finger or phone is slightly wet (which in this country with the rain we have, is quite a lot), or the finger print scanner has some how got something on it, and all the other frustrations I had with it. Face ID works perfectly, after a couple of weeks with the phone and it learning my face, I've not had any issues. The one inconvenience is not being able to unlock your phone if it's flat on your desk unless you look over it but that's only an issue at work, and stops me checking my phone so much

For the 99% of the times it works flawlessly, I find it so much better than TouchID

Lakeland · 3 Sep 2018 at 18:19

With regard to the police wanting access to iphones for evidence, how easy would it be to simply point the phone at the suspect and unlock it?

Rimsy · 3 Sep 2018 at 18:35

Pretty easy I'd imagine. One of the benefits of face id!

b0rn2sk8 · 3 Sep 2018 at 19:51

Lakeland said:
With regard to the police wanting access to iphones for evidence, how easy would it be to simply point the phone at the suspect and unlock it?

Fairly sure that wouldn't be legal without a court order, at which point its open the phone or go to prison anyway. If they did do it as you describe anything that was found within it wouldn't be admissible in court. Also what do you have to hide...?

Also if you look away it doesn't unlock but you knew that.....

As @Steedie said, it has other advantages. There was loads of this kind of talk when the X came out, it all died once people for bored going to absurd length to try and 'hack' it and actual users has the phones for a week or so and got used to it.

Broken Hope · 3 Sep 2018 at 21:23

Lakeland said:
With regard to the police wanting access to iphones for evidence, how easy would it be to simply point the phone at the suspect and unlock it?

With Attention Aware enabled you need to be looking directly at the screen so you could close your eyes.. otherwise if you hold the power button as if to turn off the phone and then swipe up to return to the home screen it will require a pin to re-enable Face ID.

Richard - London · 3 Sep 2018 at 22:05

Rimsy said:
It may be more secure but its undoubtedly less convenient and easy to use than a good old fingerprint scanner. Still very surprised Apple went down the face ID route as it makes their products harder to use than their previous technology.

in what way is it harder?

Lakeland · 3 Sep 2018 at 23:58

b0rn2sk8 said:
Fairly sure that wouldn't be legal without a court order, at which point its open the phone or go to prison anyway. If they did do it as you describe anything that was found within it wouldn't be admissible in court. Also what do you have to hide...?

Also if you look away it doesn't unlock but you knew that.....

As @Steedie said, it has other advantages. There was loads of this kind of talk when the X came out, it all died once people for bored going to absurd length to try and 'hack' it and actual users has the phones for a week or so and got used to it.

I was just being curious, I have an iP7 so I don't know how face id works

Rimsy · 4 Sep 2018 at 08:07

Richard - London said:
in what way is it harder?

Because you have to be looking at your phone.
So no unlocking it from your pocket.
No unlocking it when it's sat on your desk.
As someone else said though you no longer have sweaty finger issues so that's a bonus.

Lakeland · 4 Sep 2018 at 10:02

That’s a massive bonus, Touch ID is really annoying when I’ve got rubber gloves on in the garage and I’m trying to research something or skip music tracks.

Maundie · 4 Sep 2018 at 10:11

Having just swapped my 6 to an X I must say at 1st FaceId seemed a ballache but it's been 3 days now and I'm starting to get used to it, also the swipe up to close an app rather than press the 'button' was strange to begin with.

I think FaceId will evolve but I have noticed it won't unlock my phone if I don't have my glasses on which in the middle of the night when half asleep has proved a problem the 1 time I was woken up by a message.

Richard - London · 4 Sep 2018 at 11:34

Rimsy said:
Because you have to be looking at your phone.
So no unlocking it from your pocket.
No unlocking it when it's sat on your desk.
As someone else said though you no longer have sweaty finger issues so that's a bonus.

I dont understand why you would unlock a phone without looking at it?

Deleted member 77746 · 4 Sep 2018 at 13:02

Richard - London said:
I dont understand why you would unlock a phone without looking at it?

I can't think of a valid reason to unlock your phone without doing something unless it was to give it to someone lol. Even then FaceID takes a second.

Maundie said:
Having just swapped my 6 to an X I must say at 1st FaceId seemed a ballache but it's been 3 days now and I'm starting to get used to it, also the swipe up to close an app rather than press the 'button' was strange to begin with.

I think FaceId will evolve but I have noticed it won't unlock my phone if I don't have my glasses on which in the middle of the night when half asleep has proved a problem the 1 time I was woken up by a message.

No-one likes change. I like this change and is very welcome.

wozza2k · 5 Sep 2018 at 09:40

Richard - London said:
I dont understand why you would unlock a phone without looking at it?

For Apple Pay. With TouchiD you can take a phone out your pocket and pay much faster as you can unlock it whilst taking it out of your pocket. Pretty much the only time I think TouchiD is better than Apple Pay.

ic1male · 5 Sep 2018 at 12:49

The probability that a random person in the population could look at your iPhone X and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1,000,000 (versus 1 in 50,000 for Touch ID).

I don't know how Apple would backtrack from that statement now so I suppose Face ID is here to stay.