Failed AMD FX 8350 installation

[Leem92]

Asus M5a87 AM3+ motherboard.

So after i replaced my old AMD Phenom II x4 955 with the FX 8350 i plugged it all back in and turned it on. Nothing on screen, no keyboard, mouse, headphones lighting up. No signal on monitor at all.

So i googled it and trying to update BIOS was an obvious option so i swapped over back to my old CPU and it responded in the exact same way! Blank screen. Any ideas would be super grateful!

TL;DR New processor gives blank screen, re-installed old one, now that does the same.

 

[Leem92]

The power cable is plugged in and I will try to clean the CMOS tonight. Cheers guys.

 

[Leem92]

That is the last thing I wanted to hear! I kind of ruined and bent the tightning clips trying to get it on so bad idea trying to return. I don't fancy fitting the motherboard alone so maybe i'll take it to my local shop and let them do whatever necessary! Thanks a lot for your opinion it's helped a lot!

 

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Haha I probably sound stupid but atleast give me some credit xD ... local guy fixed it for me for £10.. Thanks for all your help!

 

[Leem92]

He turned the power on at the plug.

He cleaned the pins as there was residue coolant on them and updated my bios using another computer.

 

[Leem92]

good point if it is; means you're getting throttled; so a good way to stop that is to ghetto mod to cool your vrms

What exactly am I looking for that changes? Core Speed, Core Voltage...?

 

[Leem92]

look for speed drops and core voltage is if you see it backing off means you're being throttled; and most likely because vrms getting too hot; its fairly easy to ghetto mod to cool them though

Here is 2 screenshots i've took. http://imgur.com/a/0deCX

I'm getting 9 FPS in atilla with settings all the way down to PERFORMANCE (2nd lowest)

Nightmare.

 

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Here is my Screenshots here http://imgur.com/a/hh1py

As you can see, my Clocks MHz do not change whatsoever, are all the same and do not move!

are you SURE it's my motherboard? I don't mind spending the money if you are certain that's my problem?

 

[Leem92]

Those screen shots don't tell anything except that the cpu was idling due to the alt-tab just like avenged said. This bench which would load the fx8 up well enough and sill run in windowed mode would be this.
http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/monster-hunter-official-benchmark-download.html

What you need to do is use hwmonitor to show the volts and temps,
and use afterburner to log the cpu usage and gpu utilization when gaming.
In atilla i believe the fx series perform very poorly but it should be better than what you are getting.
I can guarantee like someone else has said your board will throttle the cpu in games that use high cpu load and lots of threads.
Even if your reduce the voltage of the cpu the board will throttle as it doesn't have apm, neither does it have any vrm cooling and it only has a 4 pin atx connector.

Get yourself a 78lmtusb3 for £38-43 and it'll solve a lot of time and is the cheapest solution bar 2nd hand high spec am3+ boards.

Here's where you'll be looking at when running the bench that i linked above in 1080p windowed mode. You would see the clocks throttling circled in red.
Also keep an ote of the core temp and cpu temp.

Here is my Screenshots here http://imgur.com/a/hh1py

As you can see, my Clocks MHz do not change whatsoever, are all the same and do not move!

are you SURE it's my motherboard? I don't mind spending the money if you are certain that's my problem?

 

[Leem92]

yes 100% either due to bios or the boards inability to support your cpu properly you are stuck at 1400mhz it's not clocking up. That is why you are seeing such crap performance.
But try the bencmark i showed you to test it's not just staying at 1400mhz in Atila.

edit can you do a screen print of cpu0z to show us the bios thats installed on the mboard please.

Yep here it is: http://imgur.com/CTPF125

I also tried both of the programs you suggested

Here are volts & temps: http://imgur.com/CFvAXaD

 

[Leem92]

Ok I'd try loading default settings or resetting your cmos.
Something in your bios is causing your cpu to stay at 7x which is 1400mhz.
if that doesn't change anything then have a look at setting your windows power mode to balanced or high performance.

If still stuck at 1400mhz then we need some screenshots of your bios so we can what settings are enabled, If we can go through some settings then we can maybe save yourself a mbaord. But like i said for £38-£43 you could get a board and it will run properly from out of the box and will even support an overclock to 4.5ghz with ease, providing you have a good cpu cooler.

I've already tried all that! Changed all the Advanced Settings to make sure everythings at MAX and it changed nothing at all!
A new motherboard it is!
If & when i get a new mobo, I'm gona take it so someone can install it properly. PC world? As I don't trust the local shops.

I've got my eye on 3, which one do you think?

Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0
Asus Crosshair Formula V Formula Z
Gigabyte 990FXA UD3

 

[Leem92]

How far do you want to clock ? and what cpu cooler do you have?
Do you need sli/cf,

I'd love to SLI in the future(2 years), two 970s would be crazy.

I've only got a stock cooler but when I get new mobo i'll get new Case, SSD & Fan.

I will probably clock to 4.6 if i really need to if I eventually get this running properly.

 

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Lol without mentioning any competitors, you will find the majority of small local firms have hugely more enthusiastic/knowledgeable members who know what they are doing more so than huge company's like the one you mentioned who don't care about the quality of there work.

So many boards struggle to run the 8350 with bad power delivery :/

So as I've read previously, any board with "990FX" on it is mostly compatible? Is that correct?

 

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To invest into a decent new cooler and an expensive mboard am3+ you really must get your fx8350 to 4.8-5ghz otherwise you are chucking £130+cooler down the toilet, when cheaper components like a mid range cooler and the 78lmtusb3 will get you to 4.5ghz with ease, or even Intel is a better solution for that money.

You need to look at games you play to see if amd is worthwhile investing into or if intel is.

For £70-£80 then you have the m5a97 evo r2.0, or the gig 970a ud3p.
The msi 970 gaming and asock fatal1ty boards don't have llc so it can hamper overclocking.

For £100-130 you have the gigabyte 990fx ud3 or sabertooth.
I'd buy the sabertooth but, I wouldn't buy a sabertooth today, I'd invest into z97.

To swap to intel is like £500 after parts & installation. a lot of money after just spending around £400,

Gonna need a new case, fan, ssd (install OS on there) motherboard & £250 CPU...

Is it really worth it?

I mainly play CS:GO and Total War..

Couldn't I just get a sabertooth am3 & a £30 cooler?

 

[Leem92]

Well this morning I bought:
Asus Sabretooth R2.0
H60 Corsair cooler
Corsair case
250GB SSD

Will re-install OS on SSD, build everything in new case and i'll post results when done! Thanks for all your help, many opinions and disagreements but the main conclusion was that my motherboard could not handle my CPU.

Thanks.

 

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H60 is useless on AMD dude, send it back. I had one on my original 8320 and it could barely hold stock clocks.

For AMD FX 8 you need a double rad like the H100 or a dual thick 120 rad like the H80i.

They don't get terribly hot (around 73c is freeze city) but they get there fast when they are loaded up.

I read they work great on an 8350... ahhh too many opinions lol!! Surely a £60 cooler is better than stock though?

 

[Leem92]

No, not opinions, fact. The H60 is barely any better than the stock cooler on 8 core AMDs. That's not my opinion that is fact. I had to upgrade to a H100 before I could do anything meaningful.

Also, you have now fallen into the "throw good money after bad" scenario because what you have now spent on the CPU and board could have bought you something like a 4670k and board. This is why I specifically pointed out that you had a few options earlier in the thread.

A few months ago things were very different. However Intel have now flooded the market with so many options that a FX 8 really isn't a great option any more. By the time you have spent on making sure the FX 8 overclocks and doesn't throttle you could have gone with Intel which will spank the FX 8 in pretty much everything.

If you're into VMware and other similar apps then the FX 8 is still a great CPU to have. But gaming? Intel pretty much have AMD closed down at every option.

4670k + Intel mobo + installation = £400+
AMD mobo + installation = £160?

Also here is FX-8350 vs 4690k in 9 different games.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20QPpIqo-YY
All I want is for my PC to be back at 200+ FPS.. i'm getting 40 because of mobo...

My little brother has an i5 with gtx 960 and it strains my eyes and my computer runs a lot better (off game) although, it is good for CS:GO.

 

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Also what do you guys suggest is the best CPU cooler for overclocking the 8350 to about 4.7Ghz?

 

[Leem92]

I have to say +1 ^^^^

Desktop experience is a bit more fluid and snappy on the FX CPU's.

For the vast majority of games the performance between them is negligible, interestingly.... and if you watch that YouTube carefully you can see in some parts the FX is actually that bit faster than the i5, while the i5 is that bit faster in other area's.

This was my experience too, the same game treats these two CPU's differently, where low threaded performance is an advantage the i5 has it, where multi-threaded performance is the key the FX has it, this happens in the same game, even on the same map depending on which way you are looking and what's going on.

DX9 games, like World Of Tanks and for me World Of Warships the i5 is better, i used to get dips into the high 40's with the 9590 but not so with the i5.

Personally i think too much of a downer is put on the FX series CPU's, yes they are old... a bit power hungry, but the performance of them (or lack there of) is grossly over exaggerated, even by some reviewers who it often looks like they deliberately look for the part of the game where its at its worst vs the Intel and ignore where the FX is best vs the same CPU.

Edit: this one served me well.... https://www.overclockers.co.uk/nzxt...t-120mm-variable-speed-control-hs-012-nx.html

Yeah there's a lot of AMD haters.. but for some reason I like them.. maybe because they're the underdog!

Also would I not be better getting a 240mm dual water cooling cooler for OCing?

 

[Leem92]

well, the bigger the better, what motherboard?

Asus Sabertooth R2.0

I've read a bit and I am now thinking the Noctua NH-D15 - It has crazy amounts of positive reviews.